Reference:
Do you think the 8-year ban is too much?
- Itās too lenient. Should be longer.
- Itās appropriate.
- Itās too much. Should be shorter.
- Should punish in other ways instead of banning.
I think worse than the 8 year ban is stripping the pro title. Both are a bit much just for having the phone without any proof there was actual cheating.
I think they do have more than just holding the phone, at least according to the association.
The thread title is inaccurate. There are lots of ways to cheat. This thread seems to be specifically about botting.
For comparison in sports:
- Justin Gatlin tested positive in 2001 for amphetamines and was banned 2 years. He claimed it was due to medication and his ban was reduced to 1 year. In 2006 he tested positive for testosterone and was banned 8 years; the sentence was reduced to 4 years after he appealed.
- Sun Yang was suspended 8 years after not complying to a test/destroying blood samples. His ban was later reduced to 4 years 3 months.
Well, thereās also this, for comparison
I think that the problem with cheating isnāt only that the cheater took something that didnāt belong to them, the win, but that they canāt be trusted.
For a professional, respecting the rules of their profession is paramount. I would understand their opponents not feeling entirely comfortable playing with them ever again.
Having a good reputation is a very important thing.
Building on my previous post, with a personal touch:
Iām a mediocre player, just barely improving through the years, if you can even call it that.
Iāve posted many of my losing games for review, and I guess itās obvious to anyone who has seen my games that I very frequently had the right move within my grasp and missed it.
I have been tempted countless times to check, just this once, what the right move is. Because itās obviously not a crazy pro move, itās something I should know, itās basically a rank-appropriate move, I just canāt see it, because Iām tired or not concentrated enough. Now that Iāve turned analysis off (until further notice) Iām oh so tempted to analyse if this is indeed a snapback or my eyes deceive me. And if I did it for a move, just one move thatās realistic for my level, not even mods would know, right?
What holds me back and I donāt give in to that temptation is trust is a glass that can be glued, but never unbroken.
I could never undo the damage to trusting myself and feeling I deserve the trust of the community.
I tend not to get too blood boiled by personal cheating like drug or AI use. But the one that angers me to this day is
David Warner was the vice captain, and pressured a new junior member of the team to cheat. He didnāt even have the balls to cheat himself but made someone under his care do it for him.
Bancroft and Smith I forgive for their parts, but not Warner.
my favorite part about this sentence is that w/o reading the wikipedia page i donāt know whether you mean this literally, figuratively, or both
In the past I might have called this overly harsh - stripping a playerās title and banning them from competition for 8 years effectively kills their career. But if you follow professional chess at all then you know that cheating and paranoia about cheating can turn the whole activity into a circus, especially given how much financial pressure there is to remain competitive.
Incidentally I wish Fox would take cheating more seriously. OGS isnāt perfect, but itās possible to report people for cheating and the reports are actually investigated.
i feel like sports restrictions on what athletes can do with their bodies is a little ridiculous. a 2-year ban for amphetamine use?? come on. there are even restrictions on things as innocuous as marijuana, that clearly have no āunfairā effect on sports performance
Itās like putting stones on a lid. Itās a rule. Nobodyās forcing them to make that sport their career, if they donāt like the rules. Plenty of other jobs out there
With rules like that, it does become a little hard to respect the rules
Well, I find it ridiculous that I have to use certain fonts for certain applications and itās not even making me millions so
and you have every right to feel that way and complain about it, same way we have every right to think absurd rules are absurd :p
I will not break the rule on the basis thatās itās absurd, though. Thatās the professionalism part
i never suggested you do that? i just think itās worthwhile to question the rules; otherwise they never change. youāre welcome to disagree w/ me on my opinions, but it seems to me like youāre just saying āthemās the rules and the rules are theseā which is a thing that weāre all already fully aware of
Agree. Here and more broadly as well.
However, we seem to have a difference of opinion regarding substance abuse as well, so letās agree to disagree.