I’m sorry @noob42 , I meant which download link to click on for the Windows version of GnuGo.
Much appreciated though, the image you posted
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What about this page? It has a section for Windows. GNU Go - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)
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@noob42 Thanks I think I got it, I believe I had to install another thing first so thats happening now. So much confusion just to play and practice go
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I do not have much to add to the already great advice that has been provided, other than this:
Try playing games with longer time settings, also known as “correspondence games”.
This will also help you with the other issue you mentioned on another topic of playing too much.
Slow the actual pace of the game down, think more of each move, play with the analysis tool for each move and try variations and actually see, on the board, which you like better.
Test, experiment, play, have fun with the potential of each board position. 
This will help you consolidate the practical knowledge you have gained out of playing 600+ games. As it stands now you are getting into more and more experience, but you are never slowing down to let it settle, think about it and absorve it so you can use it for the next game and create in your mind some tactics and strategy on what you want to do on the board.
Someone near your rank recently had a similar issue and posted about it so I offered to play a teaching game. I put -95.5 komi and we started playing a slow correspondence game. To my surprise by move 99 he was winning on this board, even without the negative komi.
… mostly because he finally had some time to pause and think and consider the moves on the board. Here is part of that dialogue:
So, this is the argument in favour of that idea.
Yes, later on he made a mistake and I killed a large group and the game turned, but that was really a small mistake on his end that took me a lot of time and planning to set him to do it and then execute it.
So, that is not a 20k player in terms of strength and knowledge, but he is a 20k player mostly due to the time settings. If he had the time to play against other 20k players as he does against me, he’d definitely win most of his games at this level.
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On the PandaNet page
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first click the link to download the Windows installer: Windows
Installer glGo-1.4.exe 6.6 MB -
then click the link to download the .ZIP file containing GnuGo: GNU Go gnugo-3.6-win.zip 660 KB
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Run the installer, find the folder on your C drive where it installed.
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Then unzip the ZIP file containing GnuGo into that folder (there’s a READ ME file that will confirm this - just follow the instructions there)
When you launch the .EXE for GLGO the GnuGo will load up with it and be ready to play when you choose Human vs Computer
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@Groin shoot more than a few decades ago even, thoisands of years ago existed players so good we call them Go Saints. No AI, no 650 games on a laptop, no opinions and tips and minds from all over the planet.
Maybe they improved their Fluid Intellegence? The Will is an amazing thing.
@JethOrensin I like the idea of playing slower for practice; my imense problem is strategy and goal setting. I play fast because I primarily rely on instinct, intuition, and ingrained lessons from teh 30+ books on Go I own. I can’t remember the things I read (although the moldability of the mind and perception as a solution comes to mind). So I go full force, which these days usually ends up in a loss.
I will give your advice a shot, to try and gain a semblaence of strategic thinking. Thank you
@tonybe Okay awesome, thanks once more.
EDIT - Got GnuGo to work, you’re a wonderful human being tonybe xD I will be lost in this for a while
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Funny enough, i feel like i play faster in my correspondence games 
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I’ve been trying some slower games, I’ve got four correspondence games going, but I think I figured out what’s missing:
I absolutely and completely lack any ability to set goal or plan far ahead, i.e. I possess no strategic ability whatsoever. And Imean at all, I play based completely in making decision in the moment with each stone played. Sometimes reactionary, always fast, almost totally instinctual (including a few things i manage to remember from reading).
I’ve actually gotten a lot of feedback from higher ranked players saying I play as several ranks higher than 25 kyu, so it must be working to some degree! I might have to make this style more effective and efficient, and make it my own.
I appreciate all the input guys, there’s a lot good resources and tips in this thread and I appreciate It. Go plyers and other Go players, nothing needs to be typed out.
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I have a theory about this: when people start playing go, they have often a very good intuition in many cases. They can play some incredible moves, high Dan moves sometimes which are even beyond the abilities of their experimented opponents. I’m not joking at all and it’s something that interests me when I do initiation to the game.
The problem is they don’t know at all how it works. So little by little theory and concepts are introduced to help them. Tactics too. And through a lot of practice and a long long way, they start to understand it. Sadly in a parallel process they lose this intuition, as long as they learn how it works, as long they go away from their instinct. Their progress from there is going to be a long recovery following their newly acquired ability to play go.
Well if you get my theory I just tried to expose, that’s not going to happen tomorrow. You’ll have to acquire some mechanisms which will drive you somehow away from your instincts.
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You know that for many OGS correspondence players, longer time settings is not for thinking longer but for their freedom to play whenever they want, through a long list of running games at the same time.
That’s just the opposite of what @JethOrensin was hoping for.
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Don’t worry too much about it. That might be true now, but with time this will be improved as well.
I remember years ago reading Davis’ Tesuji book for the first time and I had to painstakingly read every sentence twice and look through the diagrams three times to follow the moves and try to understand what was going on. One could say that I “absolutely and completely lacked any ability” to understand what had been written in the book
I took another look at it recently and I realised that now all I had to do was just glance at most of the diagrams and I could see where things where going. I sped through some of the chapters like a breeze… 
As long as you are having fun, everything can be improved. There is no need to be so immediately certain that you lack a skill.
True, there is also that side of using correspondence games, but it is not about hope, but design.
Those people enjoy having a huuuuuge list of open games and going through them whenever they like.
In DGS I enjoyed having a very small list of open games and downloading the SGF in each move, opening it with CGOban and playing with the possibilities and variations.
Different goals, different designs, different ways to derive joy from the game, but equally valid.
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Yes, yes. Especially ever since the kid arrived I don’t have the time to sit for 30 minute and play a live 19x19 game. Out of the 20 19x19 ranked games I played only 3 were live.
DGS folks are crazy with their time, one move often has a allowed wait period of 30 days by default haha. Its like sending letters to a friend.
I frantically often refresh to see any of my games are waiting for my moves.
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It’s a complicated quest. There are fundamentals that you should try to respect like “play away from the strength”, “don’t get surrounded”, net is better as Shicho, miai is good, etc… I think I never made a kind of catalog of them. I keep that exhaustive approach to studies, like getting some inspiration for future plays checking that you don’t forget any of them.
When I missed some point of importance, the best way to being corrected was through the review of a stronger player. It should be like a revelation, you have to fully agree to a discovery. Then you progress. You ll give more attention next time.
The games you play are in fact the most important in the way you integrate all the parameters, I don’t think you can so much deconstruct all the components of tactics, strategy and fundamentals. What matters more is your choices, if you understand them clearly, if you got the answers of what you asked, if you were over expecting or over backing, that sort of things.
And this is where the pov of a stronger is really efficient because he may not have the answers of what you are looking for but he see obvious things for him, obvious misbehavior that you still neglect. And that’s where are the big shortcuts to play better go.
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Reminds me of Lyra and the alethiometer!
No idea as you made me discover something I never heard about it.
@JethOrensin your last post calmed me down big time. I was ready to, for some reason, post a ton of personal aspects of my life and have us ccorrespond them to my play style, and in some way use them as an natural base for further improvement.
But, I’m not going to do that, even though I trust you guys and am basically a sincere and open book.
But the final lineof your post in regards to me is what I somehow keep burying, that every single aspect of this game is incredibly fun, I don’t know how I forget so often that just about every single aspect of Go is not only time-slowing, soul-recognizing enjoyment, but I also see a reflection of our reality packed tightly into this simple yet never able to be mastered game.
But the massive amounts of philosophical proposals is a different topic entirely 
Fun down to the bone, where if I’m being a lazy or unmotivated jackass and playing without caring ), I don’t know why but placing a stone on the board, before the conceptions of good or bad move into awareness, is an act that brings me supreme joy, like uncoditional enjoyment no matter iit leads to territory, life, or capture, if embraced the theory…
Hey i’m sorry, my mind is not in a well working place right now, but I wantd to make a short reply and say I agree about the sentence mentioning having fun, ani d that you remindded me tthat I have a ridiculous amount of fun playing this game, recent days even when losing.
Going on day 4 no sleep, plus earlier 4 solld hours of practicing entering ecstatic trance, literally altering the way temporarily my conscious awareness perceives things; An unfortunate storm of condtions making ti extremely dificult to type right now
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@Groin just read your post, I don’t like the idea of doing a ‘catalog’ for the areas of ability either, although I have a specifc notebook with a few things like Sun Tzu quotes, lessons on dealing with failure, etc. That one has been really useful as a refenrence book of sorts.
But I don’t want to take a robotic approach to Go, mechanically learning concepts and recording them then quickly movig on to the next concept like a scientist studyikg rocks or sometthing, lifeless and essentilly unimportant, another piece of colorful informaatyion to name and log. I don;t know.
My point isI, as cheesy as it might sound, and as inexperienceda as I am, Go speaks to me, it hits me deep.
Okay the “choices” you mentioned, Janice Kim in her third introduction volume mentions beneficial behaviors and then detrimental behaviors. Your inner negative behaviors actually come out during a game? I know there/s Grreed, Nervousness, and oen that keeps hittin me randomly , Anger. “Even monekeys fall out of trees”.
That’s a whole other layer to the game
EDIT – In tThe Art of War, Sun Tzu mentions the qualities the general must possess, I tthink his good traits we Sincerity, Benevolence, Strictness… Those are the 3/5 I remember. So behavioral traits really are important it would seem. One of my Tarot cards I drew yesterday relaten to go improvent, it mentioned vindictiveness; I constantly react to white, and very easily can slip into aggressive play when I feel too threatened.
I feel like Go is a reflection of the human mind and experience or perceotion. Like my aggressive impulses can be demonstrated as a strong group wiith a lot of influence that occuoies a certain amount of “territtory” in my mind, or maybe a specific section or twp sucj such as threat elimination, wheras in the same area might be a weaker group that given enoug time and buiolt up with the correct stone olacement,.i.e. repetitively built up healthier preparatory actions for dealing with threats. “When two Tigers fight, one will die and the other will be severly wounded”
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It is a pet peeve of mine when misjudgements are attributed to character deficiencies.
I apologize, I’m not sure what you mean though
Those were listed in those beginner books, thats were I pulled the ideas from
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