Territory Scoring / Japanese Rules (Counting)

[yebellz]

@gennan

If both players keep disagreeing about the status of this group and also keep refusing to resume the game to settle the situation, I think the official Japanese rules state that both players lose the game.

I think it would only be considered “both players lose”, if the value is large enough to change the outcome. If not, then this specific shape is also given as a particular example of “anti-seki”, where both players are considered dead, but stones are not removed and no territory is counted.

Odd Cases in the Japanese Rules

Anti-Seki The official commentary gives this position as example where both black and white stones could be considered dead: [antiseki] If both players pass, while leaving the above position on the board, then all of the black stones and the single white stone are considered dead, however, they are NOT removed from the board for scoring. The white stone is considered dead, since it can be captured by a hypothetical move at A. Black is dead, since white can play at B and then A to capture, sin…