The all-in-one democratic game

The three white stones in the lower-left are pretty flexible; White has f3 at their disposal or the B3 - B2 - E2 sequence. Therefore I think that an extention to the left and a follow-up against the corner are Miai to help these stones settle. Also the fact that black played low at C12 makes a move on the left less valuable for both.

I would suggest R17 here. The corner territory is important for points and the safety of white’s and black’s position.

An approach to the lower-right corner also seems good to me. In this case I would probably choose the high approach at Q5, because the right-side is somewhat “flat” due to the situation in the top-right.

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R17 would greatly strengthen White’s upper side. Q5 would get us into the lower right quadrant, which I also think is important. When I played through all the AlphaGo Master games back in 2017, I was impressed by how it seemed to prioritize having an early presence in all quadrants. I don’t know which of these moves is better, so I will vote for whichever one gets the most votes.

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ykm

k10!

:smiley:

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R15 for https://online-go.com/joseki/15584

It looks a little better than R17 josekis to me. And playing on the left would be slow.

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The three white stones in the lower-left are pretty flexible … I would suggest R17 here. The corner territory is important for points

I agree with this.

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White to play:

  • C10
  • C9
  • R17
  • Q5
  • K10
  • R15

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Yeah I do agree that C10 will leave a weakness which will awake as soon as black group is strong enough. Now I feel C9 to be too mild on black so I join ideas that it’s all a bit slow on the left. I switched to the right side, approaching the last corner (usually the priority).

My immediate thought would be to either extend on the left or approach the bottom right. However, I really like the result from the joseki @mark5000 suggested. I never would have thought of that one myself.

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I put some variation on that joseki in the game demo.
Well seems to me that it’s hard for black to get any better result. So I am convinced it’s a pretty choice.

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Black to play: suggestions time!

And it’s never too late to join us, anyone passing by welcome!

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S15 joseki - the only possible move

(q16 would only lead to weak inside corner that fully surrounded)

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I agree - R15 was forcing, so S15 is necessary.

I’m also guessing that however this upper-right-corner joseki turns out, Black will need to omit the final gote move in the sequence to prevent White’s large extension at the top

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Sure, Q16 Q15, that’s a perfect bad shape for black (hane at the head of two stones).

Is there any alternative here as S15?

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S15 is the only joseki move. If we play it, I’d suggest speed polling White’s reply at Q15.

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Nice I was waiting that suggestion

Do we even need a poll? How about if no-one objects in the next few hours, we play S15 and get on with it?

Well that’s exactly what a speeding poll is about.
And I take you as the third player so we can propose S15 and then Q15

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I generally object to speeding polls on principle.

I propose Q15. Let’s spice things up with a threat to cut

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SPEEDING POLL

  • B S15, W Q15
  • another move please precise

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Ok speeding poll is closed by @yebellz suggestion

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