Speeding poll aims at this by requiring only half of the precedent participation. Breaking it is a guarantee that we don’t take too quick decision and miss a point.Sorry I was answering @bugcat
I just tuned in and am confused. Did this Speeding Poll, that lasted only a few minutes, just decide that the next moves will be S15 and Q15?
Edit: nevermind, it has one vote on another move, I guess. I’m confused …
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It decided nothing as the agreement is broken. We come back to the normal pool procedure with at least two moves yet
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I think a speed poll is inappropriate for this move. There’s enough room for disagreement, and we already have a second suggestion from @yebellz. That said, if we play s15 next, then q15 is practically forced—you can’t really play elsewhere without losing points. So I suggested speed polling that move, but not if others object.
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Ok, I’m bit confused then I didn’t understand that way.
Well whatever yes the speed poll is gone and we can check for more suggestions.
I believe I’ve read about sequences starting with Q15 in a book in the past. Something like Q15 - Q16 - R14 - S15 - R17 - S14, which is a complicated fight.
I think it’s an interesting suggestion, but I’m inclined to prefer the simple answer S15 at the moment.
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I’m not so strongly opposed to S15, but this isn’t so much about the specific move but rather the general concern that speeding polls can rush through decisions with less players involved and at a faster pace than many may even check on the thread.
Although, honestly, if I was looking at this position by myself, without seeing the suggestions made by others or consulting a joseki dictionary, I probably would consider several other possible moves as well, such as P17, Q17, and Q15. Of course, I’m not saying those are definitely good moves, and they may actually be quite flawed, but hey that’s the best I might actually come up with in a normal solo game. Maybe those are all terrible ideas, but I still want to mention them, at least to learn, or maybe in case they could help.
No, the speeding poll did not succeed. It takes just one vote against to cancel it, which is what I did. I want more discussion and consideration of other options. I generally dislike that a decision can be made so quickly with fewer than normal players involved (or even given a chance to participate). Some are in time zones where it is the middle of the night, and won’t even have a chance to object. Others might be busy with other things in the middle of the day, etc.
In another post, @Groin gave one reason for having a speeding poll is to get on with a decision quickly in order to maintain the interest and engagement of those players that wish for the game to proceed faster. It may well be true that some players would prefer to speed through some decisions in the game, but clearly (since I’m personally expressing it) some other players may prefer to take more time and are less concerned about every move taking a day to decide upon. Moving the game at a faster pace risks alienating those that cannot participate so often.
This game will take many months, and probably closer to a year to finish. I would rather see us make every move with deliberation and care. Every speeding poll is a risk that a small fraction (of the overall participants) might come to consensus on a blunderous, game-wrecking mistake, which would be a terrible way to ruin a game where so many invested so much time and effort into.
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We have the option to propose a combo in speeding just require one more player to agree for each more move proposed.
And the combo can be broken for a suggestion after the first move, then the speeding poll still continue for the moves before.
For example here if someone proposed another move for S15, the poll will still run for Q15
@yebellz : what would be your ideas behind P17 or Q17? I’m honestly interested on these.
Well these two look like (to my potentially flawed judgment) they might help focus on keeping the corner territory. Playing at S15 makes me worry about what might happen if white plays Q17 or R17 next.
I believe P17 is a mistake because white can play the bump and then cut. In particular I’m talking about this sequence:
… after which white captures one of the cutting stones cleanly.
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I was for speed poll, but why also include white answer?
I see w r14 as good move
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Let summarize a bit.
We have S15 Q15 P17 Q17 for now from a very few of us. So any other input around?
And we have some discussions about the polls process for which everyone is invited in the [how-to]
Seems a good refutation
We have S15 Q15 P17 Q17
Could you make a diagram of that, please?
I guess some might support that sequence, but of course alternatives to the first move (S15) have already been proposed.
Further, note that @square.defender seems to be proposing an alternative to the second move in that sequence (i.e., R14 instead of Q15):
K10 again
Like this can race against yall’s speed poll for the next one
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I thought @Groin meant that these four options have been suggested for the next Black move.
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Ah, ok.
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With at least 3 suggestions anyone can start the poll himself. Providing a goban with the suggestions is highly welcome. And sorry it is not a sequence but the moves proposed till now 
(@yebellz too)
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