As usually there are less partipants on week end and we have only two contributions until now, i propose to wait until monday or until more discussion come in.
According to the two suggestions, it’s not like we are lacking choices, as both are a local tenuki and going through a global evaluation of the board.
So i hope it will give some more inspiration!
Happy gaming!
Side note, i am happy that we join again. New players are warmly welcome to give ideas too, whatever your level is.
What harm can black do if white just plays N12?
If Black follows with another move at K17 or M17, can it make 2 eyes along the top edge?
Here’s the threat as I see it:
L16 made aji. But the aji isn’t for living locally; it’s for affecting the position left of it. Suppose Black cuts at 1 as discussed and White answers at 2. Black 3 would become really big and dangerous. It’s hard for White to play elsewhere because Black can follow up with 13 after cutting. (White 4-8 is a sample tenuki; White could tenuki anywhere with the same consequence.) L16 affects the life-and-death situation after these shenanigans (or similar ones).
Under the circumstances, the distant reply @Jon_Ko suggested makes a lot of sense here. I’d suggest M13 rather than N12, which seems greedy. Good local plays would be M16 to fight hard or M17 to get tough. And I have no idea which one is the best choice here.
I assumed, that black should be able to, when I voted for L16. Black has forcing moves against the left (as @mark5000 pointed out) and the center, but actually I would neither be confident playing black nor white in that fight.
So I guess black is happy with getting C18 in sente? I can see it’s not as forcing without L16 and G13 and it gives black’s group more eye-space, which increases the aji around black’s D7 stones.
M 16 looks natural move to me but i can’t really anticipate what come next.
I found all previous comments quite inspiring btw.
K17 seems natural. White stays strong and it seems like black will have to leave L16 light for a possible reduction.
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I kind of want to see how M13 pans out now, so I’ll swap to it 
If M13, black may try the other side, because it may have a bit more aji. Maybe this?
It’s difficult for me to find the strongest continuation for both. Sofar, I suspect that black may be able to get a ko:
A ko may be playable for black, because black seems to have ko threats in the lower left and lower right and maybe around G13. White doesn’t seem to have that many ko threats, so a ko would be heavy for white, I think.
Nevertheless, M13 is a very interesting move.
My 2nd diagram may be invalid because white may have a stronger move for 5. I think this white counter is very difficult to handle for black.
I guess the other side might be more promising for Black. There is slightly more space and even some cutting point at G13.
Given the reading that was done 2-3 responses above this one, it feels like it’s better for Black to push left (K16, K17) rather than right (M16, M17). I feel like Black has more forcing moves / cutting points on the right at this point
My opinion is that from what i read before black has to worry even more as just which side to play… And not only be creative but a bit precise too.
