Consensus comes from the poll! Don’t hesitate to vote according your idea.
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I sort of switched from B8 to C18 shortly before the poll. Even if B8 may be the stronger move, C18 is the safer move. Black may still get other opportunities to play B8 or B7, or jump into the upper side and maybe create a ko there.
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So,what about white now? Block and give sente (Closing the last door is big) or go to the left to avoid some annoyance we saw there?
Would a move like B3 be enough and balance black future destruction at the top ?
Or take initiative (because C18 helped black considering the left side) to develop his lower right group ?
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I’ve been trying to get into this game and don’t understand anything about the left side, but it seems that whatever happens there it would be helpful to have the top secured. So I suggest blocking with D18.
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D18 looks natural but doesn’t diffuse any of the bad aji that Black made. I could suggest something like K17 (defending somewhat and killing all the L16 aji) or F12 (killing all the G13 aji and setting up an attack at H8).
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Artem’s claim, that white can “kill all” on the top, stands unchallenged, and a C18-D18 exchange helps white more than it hurts, so white seems to be good with D18. Meanwhile black is still threatening B7/B8 on the left. Why would white remove aji with F12 or K17 now?
K17 seems very defensive and F12 is only one step towards H8. With F9 open black can just net H8, I think.
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I generally favor aggressive moves instead of defensive stands, and I remember a long time ago while the life and death of the lower right side is still in question, I was looking at O5 or N7 as a way to secure the LR white, as well as help break into lower side black moyo (but at the time we have concern it might be gote).
Now, O5 seems to be not only help secure lower right, but also create more ko threats in the future if black want to start a ko on the left side. Black has many threats on the top, white can also start creating some toward the bottom.
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There is something could be said about the F11 five black stones. Although F9 is forcing, but there are double cuts at H8 and H6. If white can get a cut off with H8 first, it would be a semeai and fight toward the lower side (or black can keep the lower side safe and sacrifice these five stones). The gap is still wide enough between H7 and N6, and if black doesn’t back down, as long as white have some stones inside, it would help limit black’s moyo and push down the border in the center.
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Oh, I see, thank you. One more thing to consider for the fight on the left 
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But does white playing F12 now change much for black’s B7/B8? The three outside liberties of white’s F7 group are crucial and with the double cut white loses all of them.
I can see a possible trade, where white captures the F11 group and black the E4 stones, but to me that just looks very favourable for black.
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I like B3 finally because it eliminates the ko problems, bkack will just get a bit of yose from the UL. And it prepare good yose if black tenuki.
So all in all could be bigger as blocking at D18
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The situation might be in reverse for white to play B3 first.
If black starts with K17 and creates a ko in the upper side, black can use the left side as ko threats, although not as big as the other way around where white has to answer. That would required some calculation to determine their value. Black can also opt for aiming to reduce if white opt for safer responses that don’t create ko. The question will be how big the reduction from C18 can get?
Black can also start from M17 and try to push the UR white group to either through the M13 and P16 gap, or cut at Q17 (another reduce)
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I think for both K17 and F12, B7 reduction still both stand.
But for B8, ko variations will be slightly different on both cases. And black might have to use M17 as ko threats in the F12 case, which more likely ends in a trade off and a fast resolve of the ko.
And since F12 is more likely gote, it also gives black more options though, like directly go to the LR corner to attack the white group, I am not 100% sure it’s alive yet. At least black can seal white to the corner and gain a big center influence (unless white wants to sacrifice the corner and gain influence in the center, which I don’t think is a good idea)
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I’ll post the poll on Monday (Tomorrow) as there always less people on weekend.
B3
D18
F12
K17
J9
N7
O5
Can white maybe interject a probe (Probe at Sensei's Library) / inducing move (Choshi at Sensei's Library) at J9 to strengthen white a bit in the center? And depending on black’s response, then defend the lower left or the upper side or the lower right group?
For example:
A
B
(or 3 at D18)
C
(or 3 at O5)
An added advantage is that white J9 hinders black in taking the initiative in the center with this:
So white J9 reduces black’s lower side / center potential.
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White to play, please vote!
- B3
- D18
- F12
- K17
- J9
- N7
- O5
- Another move, please tell us
0 voters
Anyone welcome to participate (and vote)!
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May i remind that until the closing of the poll, it’s never too late to:
-discuss and convince others on your choice.
-change your vote if you want
Happy polling!
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My weak ddk brain wants to connect the wall like O12 or O13.
Or is poking at Q10 a thing?
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Welcome, @NinjaKitty!
We can keep these 3 suggestions as being part of the poll for sure.
Now you only have one vote so which one would you vote for?
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To talk about your suggestions, poking can be a
thing yes, not a bad idea (I like it myself) although i’m not sure if locally, there is not a better move. Long ago some were considering a white move at S9, or S8 for ex.
Connecting the wall, like closing some territory, can’t be completly wrong, it cash some points but it may be too slow as it doesn’t make any threat on black stones or put away a threat on your own. It’s crucial in go to use attack and defense on stones to keep some momentum.
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Not likely any of my move will change the poll outcome.
But you convinced me Q10 is more active, even if not the best.
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