What do you think of this position


#21

Remember, Leela Zero starts at random data, so she might still have a pretty good idea of who is winning. That said, I don’t take much stock in the number of stones @opuss mentioned - AFAIK, these networks are just playing for a win, so a 1.5 stone game might not mean that it’s a close game.


#22

To be fair, there’s no better moves on the board…


#23

Well the point isn’t so much whether there are better moves, but that she regards the move 99,9% winning for black…

And in the subsequent video I would argue that capturing all of black is a better move than commiting suicide :stuck_out_tongue:


#24

Idk, looks like Leela tries to pass. If you force her to play anyway, obvious it’ll be one of the two losing moves.


#25

If you just look at the top right, ie. the rectangle between F1, S1, S12, and F12 then it appears to me as though there was a running fight coming out of the right side. Maybe that is what happened.


#26

I am not sure we are understanding each other. The question was whether we can find a position so obscure Leela (or other bots) will have no idea to score it. I am NOT saying there are better (or other) moves to pick!!!. The “joke” is that Leela scores this position (and indeed both possible moves) as 99% winning chance for black. Which to any DDK is obviously nonsense (regardless of whether black passes or plays a move).


#27

And the fact that white tries to fill its eyes afterwards. I do think it’s some kind of bug though, when I try this position in lizzie it doesn’t give me a preview of moves to come