What do you think of this position


#1

black to play. played by one of my friends that knows nothing about go (both black and white are played by him). Any opinions?


#2

I see a go board with stones on it, so I like it. :wink:


#3

Looks like he loaded the stones into a shotgun and fired them randomly at the board.


#4

IDK man, d17 looks nice, but i think black could pass twice and still win…

It looks like a nice game for beginner, i hope your friend keeps on playing!


#5

interesting I thought white was better because white has presence in all corners


#6

Leela plays E12 and predicts W+1.6 - fairly even.


#7

I used to play games as both black and white shortly after I got my first real 19x board. I didn’t play more than 10 games (it’s not terribly engaging), but I recall that the final score was x+0.5 at least twice and if memory serves, the other results were similarly close.


#8

I wonder how well leela’s eval works for those kind of positions it’d never get itself into (and thus doesn’t have much feedback on from training) ???


#9

Umm … when komi is used (and then it is usually some y.5 value) isn’t the final score always x+0.5? Or am I not following your reasoning correctly?


#10

“x + 0.5” ≠ “x+ y.5”


#11

Only if y is not equal to zero.


#12

They’re strings. Are you actively trying to misinterpret what I wrote?


#13

Looks good for white, doesn’t it? White has corners and sides and can probably get something living out of center.


#14

Well, no, I’m not. My original intention was to be slightly humorous (obviously failed). Now I’m trying to interpret what you wrote …

I guess you are simply over my level – not surprising, as I am also not known for being especially clever.

Sorry if I got angered you. That was not the intention.


#15

I think the confusion is as to what “x” represents. I think you intend it to mean “black” or “white”, whereas people seem to be interpreting it as a number, with a score like “10.5” (for black, probably? Negative scores for white? I’m not sure.) As a number, it wouldn’t explicitly connote a close game, which seems to be what you’re describing, based on context.

Of course, if x is a string, and not a variable, the logical conclusion is that one of the players is named “x”, which could be confusing in itself :stuck_out_tongue:


#16

I think the type of x is player, not integer, here.

edit: ah, @ckersch88 beat me to it


#17

I find this idea fascinating. Can we find a (probably automatically esotheric) board position that is obviously in favour of one of the players to a decent human, but gets misinterpreted completely by Leela?


#18

Yes (and yes, I had to include the whole quote for effect!)

black to play :wink:

with all their might, it is easy to fool the bots with the simplest tsumegos, as long as the position is completely unreal :slight_smile: you can try it at home. (and it is not a quick capture before the bot catches on… I let it ponder for several good minutes)


#19

Ahahahahaha

Ok, this satisfies me a little too much


#20

For even greater enjoyment, watch as the bot realizes its foolishness: #humiliatingbots
(and yes, Lizzie really thought filling one of her eyes is a better move than capturing the 350+ group, huh)

And as to the original question I think your friend should play some 9x9 instead and never give up on go :slight_smile: Tell him/her to send me a challenge.