Be online or in real, I m not used to ask my opponent if he would agree on how I want to open the game. That’s sound weird.
Yeah me neither, but I’m not claiming that I’m trying to “show a weak point in their go practice” either ![]()
There is a pretty large difference in my opinion.
As I’ve said before, good mirror go does take thought, so they are playing. In addition, mirror go can only last so many moves - at some point it breaks and there is a whole game ahead of both players (with a game tree that is still incredibly vast)
Resigning in 20 moves cuts out any possibility of a good game. This removes middle game (arguably the most interesting part of a Go game) and end game.
I didn’t say “claim”, I was simply considering other motivations different as points. Can stay in your mind
That was not the point.
The point is that if they want something to be known, then they can communicate that.
If they want something to be “unknown” then it is, by definition, open to interpretation, ergo every guess is valid for “why they chose mirror Go?”, considering that there is no actual feedback from the person that made that choice.
Without any feedback, someone choosing mirror Go, to me means “I want the points with the least effort” and I am kind and polite enough to give those points to them, with the least effort indeed. ![]()
You can make another interpretation, but without any feedback from the specific person employing the tactic, your guess is as good as mine.
That’s the point.
This also means that if they tell me “hey, I want to try mirror Go for fun” I will not resign and I’ll humor them and give it a spin. If they don’t, then I’ll do what I like.
There can be many more interpretation like “someone just played a mirror go and I would like to explore it further” among others. The thing is to not get influenced by those mere assumptions and go get a new experience instead of presuming that opponent being what you think yet.
You feel to leave a good image of yourself and for yourself, are you not afraid to look like a rude coward? Sorry I would myself.
It’s kind of an extreme interpretation though. I could say with the same amount of logic “Any time my opponent opens if 4-4, they must not be thinking, so i will end the game immediately”
This is a theme that comes up in other realms of life as well. Rather than assume the absolute worst about someone, you can ask what’s going on in their mind.
Some people may want the rating points, but if they always get them without a challenge, they’ll get bored quickly. So even to those people, in my opinion you aren’t doing them a favour.
And I do not think your assumption is true for the majority of people playing mirror go. But that is just my belief, I have no evidence for it.
Could elaborate more on the hypocrisy of OGS on this? I don’t get it.
Yes, and all of them are valid, unless the person playing mirror Go, actually opens their mouth and tell you why they are doing it.
I am not exactly sure what this sentence means, but if I understand it correctly, that is your interpretation of my actions.
And to that I say: “The thing is to not get influenced by those mere assumptions” ![]()
I have no issue with that.
Wait, so in this game:
I have to play Black.
I have to play White.
I have to read the opponent’s mind and provide an array of benign choices for their strategy.
I do not remember where and when I signed up for that when I sat down to play a game in my spare time. ![]()
I am giving them what I perceive that is their goal.
If we are going to apply to that long-term moral and behavioural repercussions and future reverbiations in the opponents’ behavioural learning, then that’s actually specialised professional work and not a leisurly game.
I totally agree on that since that is my interpretations and I have no evidence for it either. As I said, all guesses are valid, if the reason is inscrutable.
OGS policy allows outsourcing your moves to the opponent by playing mirror go, but it bans outsourcing your moves to the opponent by resigning and letting them play against themselves if they find that so fun
Yeah, that’s what I was pointing out when @JethOrensin is multiple times advocating a resign and let give the points to his opponent.
Note that outsourcing is part of any game of go.
You were pointing out that the OGS policy is hypocritical?
I was pointing out that @JethOrensin policy is not coherent with OGS policy concerning resignation
So what are everybodys thoughts on mirroring two games? Assume I’m playing in a correspondence tournament, and I’m playing black in one game, and white in another. I always wait for my opponents move in one game, and then copy it in the other game.
This way I basically outsource my moves to both opponents, and could ensures that I don’t lose both games (unless my opponents pressure my clock in a certain way).
While I personally find normal mirror go very acceptable, I do think this kind of thing is bad sportsmanship. Arguably it’s my own loss though, because I’m basically degrading my role in the games from being a player, to being an observer. This is not the case with “normal mirror go” in my opinion, where players are bound to deviate sooner or later.
Oh this is a very different matter that it’s hard to agree with
Which was it? Were you pointing out the OGS policy is hypocritical, or pointing out that it bans resigning if you’re not losing?
I am a big proponent for early resignations, by the way. That’s my “play style”, if you do not mind:
Incidentally, I resign from ranked games much faster than I do from unranked games, because I can see when a ranked game (played for winning) is lost and resign and I can see when an unranked game (played for fun) is lost, yet still see lots of potential for mutual fun in the next 100+ moves.
First time I am hearing of that.
Sounds seriously not fun.
I also dont like people cutting everything, whenever its good or bad.
