What happened?
Game 1: I am player Johnniedarko. I win the first game against Samurai S Way.
Game 2: Because of odd player count, I sit this one out. At this time HervTrees plays against ccaanniiss. HervTrees doesn’t respond in the game, and thus the game times out, with ccanniiss moving forward as the winner.
Game 3: I am supposed to be matched up against ccaanniiss the winner of that game. However, I am then not matched against ccaanniiss, but against HervTrees in this game Tournament Game: Blitz 19x19 Elimination Tournament 2024-09-12 13:30 (120116) R:3 (HervTrees vs JohnnieDarko). He’s unresponsive, and I actually pause the game 5 mins for him to come back, but he doesn’t. The game ends, IMO technically with me as winner, but it ends as an uncounted game.
Final ranking:
ccaanniss has won the tournament. This seems a mistake to me. The tournament overview shows that I had a final game against ccaanniss. However, the site never signaled the start of that game to me. As I was in the other game with HervTrees.
Then also somehow in the final ranking I am ranked below Samurai S Way, who took 3rd, despite me winning the game against them and them winning nothing.
In summary, the bugs are:
The game matching me in the final to HervTrees instead of against ccaanniss
The final game overview says I did play against ccaanniiss, while not showing that I was actually in a game against HervTrees.
Considering my performance in this game I should be ranked either 1st or 2nd (depending on wether I would’ve won the final), but not below Samurai, a player I’ve defeated.
I don’t believe any of this is correct behavior, please take a look at it.
The first one should not have been created, as it makes no sense within the tournament structure, since HervTrees had already lost and should have been eliminated in the previous round. This game does not appear on the tournament page.
The second one is the proper final game. However, since the system mistakenly created two games for you at the same time, it seems to have left you unaware of (and possibly did not even notify you about) this actual final game.
Since you timed out in this proper final game, it counted as both a loss in the final and a disqualification from the tournament, which explains why you were not awarded second (nor third) place. Of course, this is unfair and I’m not saying that this should have happened, but just offering explanation of why this was also an observed outcome.
The problem is figuring out why tournaments somehow create these extra games sometimes. I believe that this is ultimately the same known issue as seen before. Unfortunately, it has been tricky to track down why this is happening.
Thank you for your quick responses _KoBa and yebellz, that does clarify it. I hope you can find the problem.
If it helps:
I am 100% certain that during the final game against HervTrees, there was no “1” in the top right corner notifying that I had a different game going on. That “counter” was on 0.
I did not have my game overview open, so I can’t say if the gameboard showed up in there.
From a code perspective, perhaps it has to do that HervTrees hadn’t started a game at all, so maybe the game engine can’t stop a player that didn’t start yet.
About the disqualification, it’s my opinion that timing out in a later game should not invalidate the complete performance during a tournament. Instead, a no-show should be treated as an automatic loss for that game only.
My reasoning is that running out of time for your first move isn’t all that different from running out of time on your second move, though here the repercussions are night and day. In theory it could invalidate 9 games in a 10-game tournament which seems harsh.
There may be good reasons I haven’t considered, but I just wanted to add my 2ct. Thanks
