2026: the year in pro-active review

I could perhaps have charging station installed at home. In the parking garage at my work there are already many company charging stations, so I could charge it while I’m working in the office.

Diesel currently costs me some 11 cents per km, and google tells me that charging at home costs about 4 cents per km (I assume the company charging stations won’t cost much more), while roadside charging would cost between 6 and 15 cents per km (with fast charging along the highway being the most expensive).

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In that case then it is a great solution. :slight_smile:

I have the same gasoline cost (it is more expensive, but my car has a smaller engine, so it balances out), but it is practically impossible for most people to have a charging station around here. Charging on the road costs between 10 to 12 cents per km, so there really is no point for an EV, unless you have a parking space and a way to install a charging station (and some solar panels, as well).

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I wasn’t aware of this beforehand, but in the rightmost legend in the map I posted earlier, I noticed that the Netherlands is globally #1 (with some distance to #2 Norway) in the number of public charging stations per capita.
Now I wonder about the global statistics on private charging stations per capita. I don’t have a private charging station myself (because I don’t drive an EV yet), but my 75yo mother already had one installed a couple of years ago.

ETA: I found some graphs from 2025 (assuming it’s about public as well as private charge points)


[Europe’s 2025 EV charging report: Growth, gaps & grids]

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I can hardly express how sad and ashamed I am to see how far down Germany is on those charts.

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Germany is catching up.

https://www.reuters.com/business/germany-ranks-second-worldwide-ev-production-2025-vda-says-2026-02-04/

Sales, charge points, etc. will follow.

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Unless money is not the only thing one cares about.

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I noticed that earlier. It is a very impressive number indeed. :slight_smile:

As a general trend I think that countries with already good infrastructure will be much faster in installing charging stations.

There are worse charts… a similar one has gone viral recently, but since I cannot find a good source for it, I’ll go for last year’s where euronews reported on it:

I have to say I didn’t expect Germany to be placed there and if I had to guess I would have totally gotten it wrong.

Well, we were talking about consumption and energy, so that was the main focus, but if you want there are other issues like “range anxiety” and, of course, the geographic distribution of land within a country.

For example, having an EV on the flat plains of the Netherlands is an ideal scenario for that technology and for placing chargers.
Doing the same thing in Austria which has more mountains might be a bit more difficult to install the chargers and the elevation might make the “actual range” vary quite a bit from the “factory claimed range” of such vehicles.
And then you have places like Greece where the topography itself can be a serious issue for buying an EV. I just checked just for fun. In order to reach the “capital” of the island from my small town, which is a distance of around 140 km of winding roads through a couple of small mountains and one good sized mountain, there is only one charger and it is not even on the way (you have to make a detour, to head to the private restaurant that has the charger and pray that it is open and that the charger works :sweat_smile:). So, in order to make that round trip, you’d have to have a mid-range EV (so, the cheap EVs as an option are out :confused: ) and manage to find a charger at your destination (and wait for it to charge) or else you won’t be able to return home.

So, yes, there are a lot of other factors that someone needs to take into consideration, mostly against the adoption of an EV in many places (like proximity of service stations and/or availability and cost of replacement parts and more…), so if an EV doesn’t even manage to make a lot of financial sense (which is the easiest metric), it goes without saying that after adding the other factors a lot of people cannot even consider buying them, even if they like the technology itself. :slight_smile:

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Why do you only focus on downsides and why do you assume I’d want that too?

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People usually care about the potential downsides and issues when making a many-people-need-a-loan-to-buy-this-thing purchase like a car.

Similar issues would ensue if we were talking about another great purchase like a house for example. The good stuff hardly need to be discussed, since the real estate sellers and managers will be very glad to deluge you with them :sweat_smile:. However, it is the downsides that you’ll need to look into very carefully, in order to even hear of them, let alone consider them.

Now, if you are buying a 10 euro mousepad, you’d hardly need to look much into the issue, eh?
If you buy it and it is not good, then you can just buy another one.

I made no such assumptions.

You can want and focus on whatever you like and you can write those things in your reply. :slight_smile:
In my reply, I wrote my thoughts.

For example, I had mentioned in a previous similar discussion that I had a very particular “quirk” when I was looking to replace the old family car which was “I do not want a turbo-charged engine”. That was my preference, but that is not what the market was on about, since the car market is flooded with them due to some regulations.

Most people don’t mind the issues that turbo-charged engines present. I do.
Me mentioning it, doesn’t mean that someone else shouldn’t buy a turbo-charged engine.
It means that I wouldn’t buy one and, indeed, I didn’t.

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uhm, what about <gasp> the environment?

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Okay, I must have misunderstood the “if you want” as you trying to think what I think/care about.

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I am a big proponent of green energy, especially photovoltaics, but I am not certain that EVs are that much better for the environment, at this particular point in time for two reasons:

a) It is still an emergent technology sector in comparison with combustion engines which is now an 100+ year old tech, which means that hopefully in the future new tech with batteries with more environmentally friendly materials will be implemented (a lot of them are under research actually.

Very good stuff. :slight_smile: )

b) Exactly because it is something new, we are not yet sure what the lifecycle of those vehicles will be in practice. Some quality EVs might be long-lasting enough to offset their enviromental cost of creation, some others might end up in a “used-and-unsold” car lots too soon to make up for their enviromental footprint, while others might remain totally unsold and just make a trip from factory to parking lot to landfill.

For example:

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/

https://insideevs.com/news/772659/china-ev-overcapacity-byd-government-subsidies/

Needless to say that’s not enviromental at all.

Therefore the “buy an EV for the good of the environment” is unfortunately uncertain, so at the moment it is mostly a sales pitch that the car industry uses, rather than an actual fact.

I am very optimistic that it will be true in the future, but for now it could be argued that such a claim is currently dubious enough that it could have been considered as borderline false advertisement.

Oh, I see. It is a local idiom that probably doesn’t translate well in English. A more correct interpretation would have been “if you’d like me to consider the issue more”, but here we just say “if you like/want” and the rest is implied.

Sorry for that misunderstanding then. :slight_smile:

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“We shouldn’t claim victory that with this switch to electric cars, problem solved, we are going to have zero emissions,” he says. “No, that’s not the case. But electric cars are actually much, much better in terms of the impact on the climate in comparison to internal combustion vehicles. And in time, that comparative advantage of electric cars is going to grow.”

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

I made a similar point in the “red/blue button topic”. Just because an article/paper exists, that does not mean that the paper or the claim that it makes is something that is valid or still current. That’s why “peer reviewing” exists, after all and scientific papers overturn other scientific papers all the time.

So, let’s look into it a bit. :slight_smile:

Three things on that article/paper, for the time being:

Point A

It admits that the EVs need to stay on the road for some time in order to offset their larger “production enviromental footprint”.

I quote:

In fact, Paltsev says, it’s difficult to find a comparison in which EVs fare worse than internal combustion. If electric vehicles had a shorter lifespan than gas cars, that would hurt their numbers because they would have fewer low-emissions miles on the road to make up for the carbon-intensive manufacture of their batteries. Yet when the MIT study calculated a comparison in which EVs lasted only 90,000 miles on the road rather than 180,000 miles, they remained 15 percent better than a hybrid and far better than a gas car.

So, at some unmentioned mileage below 90.000 miles the EVs are not better than a hybrid car (most new cars are hybrid now, so we will stay there). Since it is a 15 percent, let’s say 76500 miles, it is MIT so that’s probably american miles, which means 122792 kilometers.

That’s not a small number and quite a few people swap cars before that number appears in the odometer.

Do note that in the original paper there was this assumption:

We assume a nominal lifetime distance traveled
of 180,000 miles for all powertrains. However,
for certain powertrains, such as BEVs and FCEVs,
component lifetimes for batteries and fuel cells
could differ from vehicle lifetime. If certain
components need to be replaced during the
vehicle lifetime, this affects the emissions from
vehicle production.

…but it is very unclear whether this was taken into consideration in the calculation of this type:

However there is a sensitivity analysis later (so, the numbers of the article you posted probably do not contain those figures), feel free to peruse it:

(them quoting Tesla and BYD, while they are testing Toyota and Honda is quite amusing though).


Point B

The article is from 2022, the insights into the future research that is being quoted is from 2019 and today the emissions and fuel consumption of hybrid cars has improved significantly.

Case in point, I quote the article:

The researchers found that, on average, gasoline cars emit more than 350 grams of CO2 per mile driven over their lifetimes. The hybrid and plug-in hybrid versions, meanwhile, scored at around 260 grams per mile of carbon dioxide, while the fully battery-electric vehicle created just 200 grams

However, a lot of simple hybrid cars today, achieve those 200 grams that the BEV in the article achieves. Here are the specs of a comparable mild hybrid car, the Suzuki Vitara 2026:

It says there 120 grams of CO2/kilometer, which is around 192 grams of CO2/american mile and it has a very reasonable fuel consumption and we know here that Suzuki isn’t lying because our state is basing the taxes of those vehicles on carbon emissions and they check (the state might not care much for safety nor the environment, but ain’t going to lose on taxes, you can bet on that :stuck_out_tongue: ) the emissions of each vehicle semi-annually.

The batteries of EVs have also grown larger since then, hence their enviromental footprint might have increased also, since the aforementioned new tech is not here yet. The car mentioned in the test (a Honda Clarity) has a very small range of 90 miles. See here:

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/clarity/2019/review/

The Clarity Electric is battery-powered only. Unfortunately, its driving range is a disappointing 89 miles, which is much less than the range of other EVs such as the Chevrolet Bolt and the Nissan Leaf.

Funny enough, if you look in used car sales websites, that car no longer exists.

Wikipedia also says that this was car that:

The all-electric Clarity EV with a 25.5 kWh battery has 143 km (89 mi) of range,[28] and is only available for a three-year lease (US$199/month with US$899 down) for residents of California or Oregon.

So, ironically enough, the cars the research chose never came anywhere near 76500 miles and today only its plug-in hybrid version exists, and the BEV version seems to have gone to scrap/recycling. The best I could find was this which says that those cars where scrapped and had a very short lifespan and someone claims that at least the batteries of the one he had leased went to some solar farm (presumably upstate :sweat_smile:).

@trohde That doesn’t sound very enviromental to me and it turns out that even modern mild hybrid cars do have low emissions equivalent to the number presented in the paper for older BEVs, so the “environment question” is not easily answered.


Point C

Now, you’d think that a very small range means very small batteries, which conveniently means much much less initial enviromental production cost.

However, things are actually worse than that since the paper blunders on:

So, here is what they did. The numbers for those types come from older references (2015 and 2017 see P.S.) and do not correspond to the actual emmisions that were produced by the vehicles of the research!!! :distorted_face:

In case of the BEV, they specify that “BEV manufacturing emissions are based on BEVs with a range of ~265 miles and a lithium cobalt oxide battery with capacity of ~85 kWh” while using a Honda Clarity that doesn’t have those specs!

I googled it and I am not sure that the Clarity even had a “lithium cobalt oxide battery”, Honda simply called them “Advanced lithium-ion batteries with 25.5-kWh capacity” in their official announcements of the car.

Also if you look it up “Quia et el 2017” is all about Chinese EV production cars in 2017 (unlike today where Chinese cars are very popular, the Chinese auto industry EV or otherwise was not top-notch at 2017) while Honda and Toyota are Japanese brands! :man_facepalming:

So, the table is at the very least populated with data that have nothing to do with the particular cars themselves. They begin exclaiming how fair the comparison of those two models are, and then go ahead and fill the actual values with generic numbers from other vehicles and other brands. :sweat_smile:

That doesn’t sound very scientific to me…

P.S.
Just for fun, I went to check what the source for “Emissions from vehicle manufacturing are from a Nealer, Reichmuth, and Anair (2015)” was and what that paper was saying.

Turns out, that as far as I can tell, it is not a peer-reviewed paper, but a report by a group called “unioned of concerned scientists”.

“Heywood and MacKenzie (2015)” is also not a paper, but a report actually focused on even earlier tech cars: “Quantifying efficiency technology improvements in U.S. cars from 1975–2009:roll_eyes:

Now what do “cars from 1975-2009” have to do with the emissions of HEV/PHEV/BEV/FCEV cars in 2019 when that paper was authored, well, please let me know if anyone can come up with the answer to that.

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It would be nice if you put the same amount of scrutiny into reviewing your own posts.

Just one example:

That doesn’t mean the cars aren’t used anymore after that. Quite a few people only ever buy used cars, never new ones.

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I’m not able to compare the environmental impact of electric cars and thermal cars, CO2 emissions are not the only aspect of environment. But whether we care about the environment or not, we are very vunerable to oil crises. When the oil barrel is around $100, everyone is suffering, and this can only become worse in the future. Europe has no oil, or almost, so we need to develop other sources of energy.

And regarding global warming, an easy way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions would be to eat less beef, but talking about that is not very popular because people don’t want to change dietary habits.

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Well, I am not exactly sure what your issue is with my post, but your point is actually against EVs being more enviromentally friendly, but it is not as important as the previous ones and I thought I shouldn’t go down that road (no pun intended), but since you mention it, I am not sure why you’d even think this is actually against my previous point, for two reasons:

Reason 1

Unlike poorer countries in the Balkans where the habitual usecase was to keep a car in the family for at least a couple of decades, in most Northern Europe (especially Germany) where people were more affluent (and cars where produced), the average amount of years that someone used to keep a car was around 4-5. You might not remember it, but it was so, a tip from google if you doubt:

So, quite a few people were very keen to sell their old cars, but those people tended to buy new ones instead or lease new cars, which the companies got rid off within the span of 5 years to buy news ones for their clients. The used cars tended to trickle down to other countries (see below) and only in the recent years have the cars started to be held on to more, see here:

The EV used market, however, is not yet as keen to distribute older cars as the hybrid or diesel/gasoline car market is, for a lot of reasons, but mainly these:
a) People fear diminishing batteries.
b) People worry about those vehicles being out of warranty (and with the limiting servicing options, that’s a critical issue)
c) The original owner received a public fund subsidy to buy that car new and now you are paying hard cash to buy it used. Why not go and get a public fund subsidy to buy a new one instead?
d) Speaking of new ones, the EVs of today have better range, better equipment and better utilities compared to the ones even barely a few years ago. Why would you buy a used one that has worse tech, slower charging and less range? :thinking:

…and more.


Reason 2

The old cars, since they were usually mechanically simple, used to be sold and re-sold (cheaper and cheaper) in other countries. For example, some decades ago, the Mercedes-Benz cars that the Germans and Austrians changed after 4-5 years to buy new ones, were not recycled, but were sold in places like the Balkans at a premium price.

After they were used here for 15-20 more years again, instead of recycling, they were exported to poorer regions like Asian or African countries, at an even cheaper price. Indeed a well made diesel could easily reach 50 years of use, till its wheels fall off.

That’s how James May found an 1985 Mercedes Benz, Clarkson found an 1981 Lancia Beta and Hammond found an 1963 Opel Cadet in Botswana, for that special episode of Top Gear.

“One owner is it?”… oh, funny line… of course they know. :sweat_smile:
And now you do, too.

Not so much with EVs though, since, as I explained earlier, there is not much chance someone in the Balkans would buy a used hand-me-down EV car from northern Europe (or anywhere else for that matter), because there is not enough usecase for EVs here (not enough charging stations, not enough service stations, not enough support/replacement parts, not a good enough economic insentive etc)… consequently noone will resell those vehicles to even poorer countries for very similar reasons. So, off to the scrapyard a lot of them go.

Not that anyone has tested if they can last for 30+ years anyway.
As I said, it is still quite the emergent technology.

So, yeah, the vast majority of the old tech cars could and would reach “122792 kilometers”, easily, eventually.
The EVs? Noone knows how many will do so or if they will do so. And if you do, then I applaud your talent of fortune telling.

We might watch “Top Gear 2065” roll in Botswana and find cars like a 2019 Honda Clarity BEV, but we won’t because those particular ones were all already scrapped. Oh, the longevity. :sweat_smile:

Hopefully some committee will think of a solution to that problem one day. :slight_smile:

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Which is it, do you think you understand my point or not?

The number of years someone keeps a car is not relevant. What is relevant is car longevity. In France,

https://www.vie-publique.fr/en-bref/300231-les-chiffres-cles-du-parc-automobile-en-france-en-2025

https://www.fiches-auto.fr/articles-auto/fiabilite/s-3922-duree-de-vie-d-une-voiture-a-partir-de-quel-age-kilometrage-les-pannes-se-multiplient-.php

The average car age is 11.5 years. It is estimated that a car’s lifespan is about 20 years.

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