Thay was not the conclusion of the thread on this opened before.
It takes like 6-8 games to get some wrong rating and like 12-15 to get a beginner rating (like 20-25k)
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I believe the thread youâre talking about was before the provisional rank was changed back to 12 kyu.
EDIT: I was wrong, the true provisional rank is 6 kyu: explanation
Anyone can update this thread if necessary.
It seems I did misremember a little. Assuming that all of the rank changes were applied retroactively, and cautioning that these are âactual ranksâ rather than displayed ranks, it took me one game to drop from 12k to 15k, and then another thirteen games to drop to my lowest rating, 24k.
I donât think this is unreasonable at all, especially considering that one of the first things youâre told as a go player is to âlose your first 100 games as fast as possibleâ. Plus, the displayed âhumble ranksâ would have been even lower, right?
You started way back in 2017! Thatâs at least two rating systems ago! 
As Iâve said, this is assuming that all rank changes were applied retroactively, which Iâm pretty sure they were? It does line up with Groinâs assertion that it takes twelve to fifteen games to attain a âbeginner rankâ.
Yes, but the retroactive calculations are not reliable, especially because the rating updates still reflect the old system 
Fair enough, I suppose. In any case, I donât think losing 12 - 15 games to drop to an absolute beginner rank is unreasonably âhumiliatingâ.
Itâs especially not welcoming to have to be crushed 15 times to be accepted as a rated beginner. Note that is not the only problem as if you just want to play with other beginners the system will refuse it as you start too high ranked.
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Hmmm. I have to say 12-15 would start to worry me for the beginners. Hopefully Iâm right about the current system being faster than that, though.
Edit: after a quick search, this player is the worst counter-example I could find to my hypothesis. They reach 25 kyu (645 rating) after 2-3 games, but their true rank is way below at about 212 rating, and it takes them, I guess about 20 games to reach it.
How come? If youâre an absolute beginner like I was, you will be crushed many, many more times after attaining your âtrue beginner rankâ before you win your first game(s).
The only thing that was demoralizing about it for me at the time was that my rank was displayed as â25kâ for more than 150 games, and I wasnât sure if I would ever reach 24k. Thankfully, the newest rank update has completely solved this issue.
This seems impossible. I havenât looked at your link yet, but the lowest I ever dropped as someone who knew NOTHING about go was 640, which is about the same Iâve observed with other newbies. If someoneâs rating drops below that, Iâm pretty sure there must be something funky going on.
EDIT: I guess that link looks kosher, actuallyâŠ
Well, people have different talents. Go beginners come in all shapes and sizes. Some Go beginners surprise me by playing moves with purpose and forethought, some play mostly random moves, like playing out a lost ladder even though they know about ladders.
Well, I talked about my first experience on a Go server. Though thinking back, Iâd say it might have been a psychological experience caused by the presence of the rating itself.
As a beginner, I was assigned a specific rating, and without knowing anything about rating systems, I just assumed âoh, this is an appropriate rating for someone starting out!â. So I kind of immediately adopted the rating as part of my identity. Seeing it drop game after game, realizing how much better the players I was being matched with were, was quite the jarring experience.
So my conclusion is that a) taking too much to correctly rank a beginner can be a problem if theyâre not educated on what to expect, and b) seeing the rating from the start is potentially very bad for the psychology of their first experience.
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I won 5 out of my first 47 games. Unless Iâm a complete exception to the rule, I wouldnât call this proverb a myth (unless you take it literally).
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If they know about ladders, IMO theyâre not a complete beginner. 
On a similar note, I still remember how devastated I was when I learned that my opponent was allowed to capture my group even if it had an eyeâŠ
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Allerleirauh has created his own strawman myth. The saying about losing 100 (or 50) games as fast as you can is not about how long it takes to win. It is about encouraging beginners to play a lot of games quickly, even if they lose them all, because experience is the best teacher. We might well dispute whether that kind of experience is best, but it has nothing to do with how long it takes to win, and no one I know ever imagined it did.
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I was showing that beginners are allowed to have ranked games (restricted to ±9 ranks) with 1d players. So something about matchmaking assumes they are at 6k; itâs not just a display bug.
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It was just pointed out to me in the other thread that the uncertainty in the provisional rank is apparently one-sided. 11.9 kyu is actually the lower bound of one deviation.
So I was wrong, in some sense there is a âhiddenâ true provisional rank at 6 kyu, but the graph displays it at 11.9 kyu artificially - as a prov player loses against a 1d, their true rank slightly lowers, and the deviation shortens, making their graphical rank increase.
My freaking God. Thatâs REALLY weird.
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Well, you see in places people say that itâs ok for complete beginners to lose a lot. That itâs fine to start them at 6k or whatever because, oh, theyâre just gonna lose a bunch and itâs fine and so on. That itâs fine to have them lose 9 out of 10 games as Maharani because, oh, well, theyâre beginners. I donât believe it. I think itâs best to pair them with other beginners so they have a fair chance at a game and expected to win 50%. And although I donât remember exactly, I had an impression some teachers recommend to let the beginner win their first 9x9 game.
I mean why are we pretending that losing 9 out of 10 games isnât a discouraging experience. Do you want go playerbase to consist only of masochists?
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We could make this one for, hmmm, like players who end up lower than 20k if thereâre any?