This topic is for all the armchair joseki theorists out there, and also because reliable point estimation is becoming possible thanks to KataGo. I’m curious what y’all think the thresholds should be for the three basic flags in the forthcoming joseki tool (with some dictionary definitions in parens):

- Ideal (perfect; most suitable; best possible)
- Good (adequate; satisfactory)
- Mistake (misguided; wrong; erroneous)

Let’s say you or I have a question about a corner move and run it through a score-sensitive AI to check the output in some test positions. You’re going to see numbers like “+1.9” and “+2.4.” If you’re proposing that move for addition to the dictionary, you’d have to categorize it as ideal, good, mistake, or sometimes trick. That’s what this poll is about, and also just for the theory/fun of it. So what do you think?

How many points must a move lose on average before it is no longer “ideal”?

- Less than 1.0 points
- 1.0 points
- 1.1 to 1.4 points
- 1.5 points
- 1.6 to 1.9 points
- 2.0 points
- More than 2.0 points

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How many points must a move lose on average before it is no longer “good”?

- Less than 2.0 points
- 2.0 points
- 2.1 to 2.4 points
- 2.5 points
- 2.6 to 2.9 points
- 3.0 points
- 3.1 to 3.4 points
- 3.5 points
- 3.6 to 3.9 points
- 4.0 points
- 4.1 to 4.4 points
- 4.5 points
- 4.6 to 4.9 points
- 5.0 points
- 5.1 to 5.4 points
- 5.5 points
- 5.6 to 5.9 points
- 6.0 points
- More than 6.0 points

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Is a move still “ideal” if it requires a working ladder?

- Yes (josekipedia standard)
- No
- I’d prefer a “requires ladder” flag

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