Maybe Iām just naturally a pessimistic person.
I think you are correct in evaluating your position as bad, I just donāt think itās 100% lost yet
In fact, there is not a single guaranteed immortal stone on the board at this point
I donāt feel like struggling anymore.
That is also completely fine, donāt feel pressured to act in a certain way I just wanted to share my view on the game.
Donāt feel bad Haze, itās just a game. Even though Iām a bit frustrated right now, all in all I still really enjoyed playing
Round 28 has ended
- @le_4TC and @Haze_with_a_Z placed at their first choices
- @martin3141ās first choice was a collision with the existing stone C9, their second choice collided with J3, and their third choice collided at D7
- @Vsotvepās first and second choices collided with already existing stones (at D8 and D9), and their third choice collided at D7
- @martin3141 and @Vsotvep did not place stones this round
Voting (round 28)
- @Haze_with_a_Z votes for a 3-way draw excluding @le_4TC
- No other votes were submitted
Round 29 has begun and will end on 2020-09-24T00:00:00Z
Current board state
Hey that is the way we all should play
Round 29 has ended
- @Haze_with_a_Z submitted three choices that all collided with preexisting stones (at E5, G3, J3), and hence they did not place a stone
- All other players placed at their first choices (B6, D7, F1)
- The (newly placed) stone at D7 is captured
Voting (round 29)
- @Haze_with_a_Z votes for a 3-way draw excluding @le_4TC
- No other votes were submitted
Round 30 has begun and will end on 2020-09-25T00:00:00Z
Current board position
Weāve got our first unkillable group on the board! Congratulations @le_4TC for definitely finishing with at least 27 points
Thank you I guess there are some rare situations where a player would actually want to fill in an eye of an āunkillableā group (this can even happen in regular go with superko), but I donāt think that will happen this game
give an example pls
To prevent a board repetition, for example.
Or to commit suicide out of revenge after somebody refused to draw, making them lose.
But is there any benefit to not just pass?
For the purposes of superko, a non-pass move might be required to actually change the position (although in some rulesets, a pass lifts all ko-bans). In ordinary go, you will only make a suicidal eye-filling move if there are no other possible moves for you, and you have to make some non-passing move. This is extremely rare, especially on larger boards there will almost always be some territory where you can throw in a stone without doing any harm to yourself.
But in Diplomatic Go I imagine that this could happen in some more likely ways. Apart from the ārevengeā mentioned by Vsotvep above, I think it could be in your interest to give another player some extra points, to motivate them to play in a way which works better for you. Here Iām thinking about a big board where you have multiple alive groups, and you can afford to sacrifice one of them for strategic advantage.
Iām not going to bother trying to construct an example right now, because Iām not very good at constructing such positions even for normal go, and for Diplomatic Go there is the added issue that we havenāt completely defined player incentives in a lot of situations. If the only incentive is win > draw > loss, itās a lot harder to construct a position where rational play demands sacrificing an unkillable group than if (for instance) each player is trying to maximize their own score on the board. Or so I think. The third issue is that Iām a beginner at Diplomatic Go and might not know what Iām talking about
Edit: Hereās the example that inspired my initial comment. It seems to be flawed in terms of the final score, but I think the basic idea works. Maybe here I should try coming up with a better example myself, to support my not-very-well-supported argument.
Round 30 has ended
- @Haze_with_a_Z submitted a pass
- The other players all placed at their first choices (A1, A5, D7)
- Two stones at A6 and D7 are captured
Voting (round 30)
- @Haze_with_a_Z votes for a 3-way draw excluding @le_4TC
- No other votes were submitted
Round 31 has begun and will end on 2020-09-26T00:00:00Z
Current board state
le4 has 28 pts atm. who should I team up with to make them have more points?
You can try to capture my group, if you want to. Iād rather try to proceed to scoring though ^^
I could get 28 points if I completely get all the area at the top, so you could help by playing G9 and let me eat you. Only Martin can prevent me from getting 28 points, then.
If you get 28 points, then my group gets captured and the game continues for another 20 or so moves between you and le_4TC. I propose we all pass, go to scoring and move on to the past-game discussion and possibly a new game