To which limit? I guess additional time is limited or maybe not?
I donāt think thereās a limit because the main time of 2 hours is already a lot. There was a game played by Li Qincheng where his main time increased instead of decreasing at the end of the game. And he still won.
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2hrs is a lot in todayās standard, but not that much considering the quality of the players.
I do want to see SJS play a title match that lasts two days and see how he plays. But I guess thatās difficult for an international title 
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Mostly difficult for TV shows. I guess the cost of organization is negligible besides this and fashion.
It probably isnāt the majority Iām guessing 
Maybe seeing the sgf after is better
Already with the Japanese title matches, I might only tune in for a bit unless Iām leaving it on in the background. When thereās no commentary, it is just two people sitting at a block of wood thinking for like half an hour
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Not really about the quality of the show, but about the quality of the game even if some pretend it doesnāt change that much.
I mean in todayās world we put all at reverse putting the interest of the players behind the one of the spectators.
I think the quality does change, but the change may not be proportional to the increased time.
Who cares about proportionality besides business people?
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12600 watchers thatās not much.
[Nanyang Cup Finals] Shin Jinseo got a good start by beating Wang Xinghao in Game 1
Shin Jinseo wins the first game as white
Wang Xinghao had some good chances but couldnāt hold onto it and lost
Shin Jinseo (white) wins against Wang Xinghao (black)
In the 1st Nanyang Cup Finals Game 1, Shin Jinseo won against Wang Xinghao by resign. It was a complicated game befitting of the World No. 1 and 2. Shin didnāt gain a lead in the opening and gave Wang a good start in the middle game. Wang played some good moves when attacking, but eventually, Shin managed to make his group alive through accurate reading. Wang turned the attack to the bottom, but Shin managed to escape after minimizing the damage while leaving some aji in the corner. Thinking that he was behind, Wang gave a last fight to try to kill the black group, but the top black group got cut and killed instead.
Black 2 ignoring whiteās 1 was a good move. However, blackās 4 was a bit loose and should have played strongly at A instead. This looseness allowed white to make this group alive easily later.
Black turned the attack to the bottom side but white made use of blackās weakness in the centre to make this group escape easily while leaving some aji in the corner at the same time.
Black started desperate attempts by playing 1 and 3. The game was still long if black had played at A, but Wang probably thought black was behind by a lot or didnāt have confidence in his endgame.
In the actual game, even though black managed to connect his group back and cut white, white also cut the top black group which is not alive yet. Black played a good sequence and couldāve lived, but white will also be leading after making the bottom group alive. In the end black purposely made a big mistake and resigned.
With that, the current score in the Finals is 1-0 with Shin Jinseo winning one game. Game 2 will be played on 28th February and Game 3 on 1st March if needed. The games will start at 12pm GMT+8 and should be broadcast on most Asian Go servers. It would also be streamed on channels such as BadukTV. If Shin Jinseo wins, it will be his 8th Major World Title and he will be lined up with Gu Li and Ke Jie in terms of the number of World Titles attained.
This is the first major world tournament using Fischer time control. Each playerās main time is 2 hours, and an additional 15 seconds are added for each move. Chinese rules are used, with black giving a komi of 7.5 points. The championās prize money for this competition is 250,000 Singapore dollars and the runner-upās prize money is 100,000 Singapore dollars.
If you happen to be in Singapore, many events are lined up such as live commentary and post-game analysis. Check it out!
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Chinese Pro banned for 8 years for using AI to cheat
China Weiqi Associationās Notification on the Punishment of Revoking the Professional Rank of Qin Siyue, a Player Who Violated the Rules
On December 15, 2024, professional Go player Qin Siyue (born in 2006) was found to have brought a mobile phone during a routine spot check by the referee in the ninth round of the National Go Championship (Individual) Womenās Group and used an artificial intelligence program on the phone. After reviewing the video of the match, and listening to the testimony of the on-site referees, players, and staff, it was confirmed that Qin Siyue had entered the venue and hidden the phone in the early hours of the day and cheated during the competition, disregarded the discipline of the competition, and concealed the facts when questioned, which were serious circumstances. To rectify discipline and maintain the industry atmosphere, according to the āDisciplinary Rules and Punishment Regulations of the China Weiqi Associationā and other relevant regulations, after comprehensively considering the circumstances of the violation and the personās attitude, and after research and decision by the Discipline and Ethics Working Committee of the China Weiqi Association, Qin Siyue was punished by revoking her professional rank, cancelling her results in the 2024 National Go Championship (Individual), and prohibiting her from participating in all Go events and activities organized or authorized by the China Weiqi Association and its member units for 8 years.
Fairness and justice in competition are the industryās lifeline. In the face of the new development situation of Go artificial intelligence, the China Weiqi Association has always taken a serious attitude, conducted rigorous investigations, and strictly dealt with various issues of competition style and discipline. In the future, it will continue to deepen lessons from the case, improve venue management and anti-cheating work, and welcome supervision from all sectors of society to jointly create a healthy development environment.
China Weiqi Association
February 26, 2025
P.S. Word has it that her win rate in 2023 was below 40%, but it shot up to 70% in 2024ā¦ She has won some of the top female players in China before, and in some games, her AI matching rate for the middle game was about 90%!
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8 years quite a lot more than the 1 year Kim Eunji got. Kim was a child, 14 iirc, whilst Qin would be 18 or 19 so still young but counts as an adult now. Also Kimās cheating was online rather than real life which is usually seen as less serious, but I wonder if China stricter than Korea. There was also the issue of Kim being the rising star so if they were harsh with her they basically kill the future of their new hope for top women player after Choi Jeong (and she is now showing thatās the case).
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The situation is quite different too. Kim Eunjiās one was more of a āclicking aroundā, while Qinās case is intentionally sneaking into the playing hall to plant devices. Of course the rising star part may be relevant too.
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Another reason might be it was not the first time she āsmuggledā smartphones into tournaments she participated in when she got caught. She became 1p in 2020, and only reached 2p in early 2024. Then immediately she won quite a few games and at the beginning of Dec 2024 (for games before the end of Nov 2024 and before the 12/15 incident), she had already reached the rating required to advance to 3p.
And if we check her games, her games lately were quite āstrangeā, she either won very early or resigned very early (against known strong opponents, she even played against Kim Eunji in Wu Qingyuan Cup and resigned in just 148 moves). Almost none of her recent games passed 150 moves. You can check some of her recent games yourself.
They were quite different from her games before 2024. Which often went into scoring, or beyond 200+ moves before resigning, and fighting to the end. And there were always rumors that the CWA was quite relaxed in their security and checking previously (thus allowing the ātoilet incidentā to become a taking point in the past). Hence this harsh punishment right now after months when she got caught might be a signal to people questioning their resolve.
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On the psychological side, a 12-18 young is someone who experiment at times with the dark side. Rebellion, lies, ideology, robbing, fighting, cheatingā¦
IMHO itās processes which are lived in a very different way as adults. Iām not saying itās good, itās just as it is and it has to be taken in consideration and not punish too harshly unless you decide he will never learn and stay for life like this.
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Cheating in a competition is one thing, committing a crime with the use of violence is quite another!!!
At 18 you are supposed to be a responsible adult. It doesnāt mean you are fully mature yet but if you commit a crime, you get the same punishment than a 30-year old. On the other hand it would make sense to divide the ban length by 2 for cheating players under 18.
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Maybe but thatās not the point. Not debating which is the worst, just mentioning some different treatment for criminality between adults and youngers
[Nanyang Cup Finals] Shin Jinseo beats Wang Xinghao by 2-0 and gets his 8th Major World Title
Shin Jinseo (left) won against Wang Xinghao (right) in game 2 of Nanyang Cup Finals
Shin Jinseo gets his 8th Major World Title
Shin Jinseo (black) won against Wang Xinghao (white)
In the 1st Nanyang Cup Finals Game 2, Shin Jinseo won against Wang Xinghao by resignation. It was yet another complicated game with many difficult fights from the start of the game. Shin Jinseo played very fast in the opening but didnāt make a good choice when his black group was being attacked. After that, Shin Jinseo made another mistake in the middle game, losing points while not being able to attack the white group. Instead of going all-in for the attack, Shin Jinseo decided to go slowly at the bottom first. When Shin finally went for the attack, Wang got distracted and played at a different place instead of protecting his group. Shin made use of this chance to get a big territory on top, forcing Wang to attack instead. Shinās groups on the bottom and left were dangerous, but through accurate reading and relying on Wangās loose moves, Shin managed to make both groups alive. After that, the endgame was long but Wang didnāt have any more chances.
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Shin came very well prepared and played every move very fast in the opening, including this move which is not a very common move.
When white played at 1, black played at 2 hoping to get the peep in sente, but white played 3 followed by 5, which led Shin Jinseo into a deep think
Black cutting here was a better move than the actual game.
By sacrificing the stone, black can connect the group back easily.
Black cutting here was also not a good option.
Black shouldāve just connected at 1 and extended at 3. Even though black looks miserable, itās still playable as the white group outside is weak.
In the actual game, black managed to live clearly but whiteās outside also became strong and blackās 3 stones became weak. This is not a good result for black. Black cutting at N10 probably meant that Shin didnāt think the game was good for him.
When white ran out the 3 stones at 1, black extending at 8 was not good. Black shouldāve just extended at A instead. After white played at 9, the black 3 stones were already dead and it was also difficult for black to attack the white group on the right side.
Black couldnāt find a good way to attack and played on the bottom first. White protected another move in the centre making it even thicker. Now the game is very difficult for black.
However, when black played at 1, whiteās 2 was a mistake. White shouldāve just protected at A and the game was good for white.
Shinās 1 was a good move, getting control of the territory on top. Now that black suddenly has a huge inflow of cash, itās whiteās turn to attack the black groups on the bottom and the left side.
While attacking white played some loose moves and allowed the black bottom group to settle easily. When white wanted to attack the left group, blackās D7 was also a good move. It was the only move that allowed the black group to live and Shin found it.
After black settled the left group easily as well, black was leading in terms of territory and white couldnāt do much about it. Eventually when white resigned, black was leading by about 4 to 5 points.
With that, Shin Jinseo won against Wang Xinghao with a score of 2-0 and he also helped Korea to win the 1st Nanyang Cup Title. This is also his 8th Major World Title under his belt. By winning in Nongshim Cup and Nanyang Cup consecutively, Shin Jinseo is having a great start this year.
Congratulations to Shin Jinseo and congratulations to Korea!
If you have read until here, hereās a bonus video of Shin Jinseo drinking from the merlion 
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