Turns out this was a lot less convenient for me than I thought Copy pasting all the links gets a bit messy… maybe we can do it with a wiki post in the future, so it’s all in one place?
Naturally, the lower right corner was a lot harder to guess than lower left or upper right. @claire_yang was the only one to guess Q3, and @bugcat was the only one to guess R9
Boring stuff about the tool
This is what I put in manually this time:
(copying and pasting each player’s coordinate string from their guess)
Then the program automatically makes the heatmap, calculates each players score, and generates the formatted scoreboard:
So it’s somewhat functional right now, and another person could in theory host a round like this too. But I should probably make the tool slightly more user friendly first. Having each user input their own guess into a wiki post would definitely make it a lot more convenient.
Any player is welcome to start the next round, with or without the new tool
If you do want to use the tool, just go to https://stones.4tc.xyz/ and input the white stones by holding down shift and clicking/dragging on the board. Then share the link, and optionally an image of the board (right click on board -> copy image -> paste into your forum post). Then you or someone else can make a wiki post afterwards where everyone can put their guess into a table. We’ll figure out the rest as we go!
And if you prefer to do it the old fashioned way, counting scores manually, that’s completely fine too! I think the heatmap can be interesting sometimes, but we don’t have to have one for every round.
18 black stones are missing. You get 1 point per correct guess. You will get no negative points for wrong guesses, but I will substract 1 point for every black stone that exceeds the target of 18 stones.
A bit of background info: This is a game between 2 famous pros, played almost 20 years ago.
Let’s try to collect all guesses in this post, to save @gennan from having to copy all our different links separately!
This is a wiki post, so everyone should be able to edit it. Add your guess below my example below by writing [your name](link to your guess) on a new line. If this doesn’t work for you for some reason, just share a link or an image to a board in your own reply, and then I can add it here later
Some strategic guessing (based on the points system) in the lower right corner; clearly there’s not both a 3-4 and a 4-4 there, but hopefully one of them is there. So I’d rather get one secure point there than guess blindly what’s up in the top right.
(with the old +1 -1 point system, I would maybe place only the upper right 3-6 stone for the whole right side)
Some obvervations about this point system
Below 18 stones, adding an extra stone is either +1 or +0 to your score.
At or above 18 stones, adding an extra stone is either -0 or -1 to your score.
So if the goal is only to maximize your score, there is no reason to place anything else than exactly 18 stones
I actually kind of like this points system. I feel like it encourages us to put down the right number of stones. I think even with the other ones, where there was negative marks, I’d still try put down the right number of stones, just because. I don’t really gain anything by topping this table, but it does make me think a bit harder I find, when I have to go – “Wait I’m still short a stone, maybe I need to rethink some of these placements”.
So the upper left was easiest, guesses in the lower left were also fairly close (although most missed the high double approach) and everyone guessed R14 correctly.
I’m thinking there is a running battle happening in the lower-right, which is the focus at the moment. In this light, the white stone L3 makes sense to me, otherwise it would be too close to the white wall. There should be two black stones in the upper-right, but it’s difficult to guess which shimari exactly, so I decided to only place a stone at 3-4.
The lower left is a familiar shape. But the lower right looked unfamiliar initiallly. Then it dawned on me that this is probably a 2-space high enclosure joseki/variation. From there it was a matter of fitting the final pieces to the puzzle.
I have a feeling that my guess may be correct. I even dared to give a move order.
-I wonder if I will ever get the side of the wall right.
-For some reason I wanted that on the right to be a double hane.
-I’d like to imagine the last move is a 3-3 invasion, and B thought they were being bold and stuff. But that’s just me and my imagination. Now that I think of it it’s probably C16 and not C17, but I’ll roll with it
Indeed, and ideally the links should be in a wiki post (I don’t think copying a link from a post gives both the link text and adress, unless you’re quoting). With a wiki post the host simply goes to edit it to get all links in the right format
So let’s collect guesses here! Add your own like this:
Copy pasting all the links gets a bit messy… maybe we can do it with a wiki post in the future, so it’s all in one place?
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