Ouuuf… Brother… You can’t say you don’t mean something but write words that mean exactly that.
You can’t say
I would not care about an honor system, because it would not help." Then say " I am not doing that". That being : the honor system would not help other people, that are not you.
Or if im missreading, are you saying the opposite? You do think it would help you?
Which I don’t think you are implying, because then if it would help you, then can’t it not help others as well?
You keep saying : " it would not have much value" I mean surely you are basing that off something.
“If we’ve have entered the valley of “that’s just like your opinion, dude” evasions, then you have nothing.”
I am not saying personnal opinion has no value, I am saying you can’t extrapolate your own feeling on this to every one.
Uselly one would base their assumption on how they personally feel about something. Or else, can you explain to me what you are basing the “not much value” on , if it’s not from you? My point is, SOME people, would get benefit from it, MAYBE.
Yo do realise it’s not up to me, or you, to decide if something will have value. My point is to get a feel of THE COMMUNITY, then we can see if it has value based off that. That’s the only way to knows if something has value for the community or not.
Basically, if it’s still unclear, you should use more " I statement". I would not, I do not, I feel this. You can’t talk for the community : " The community would not" etc. Speaking for the community in your way of talking already starts any conversation wrong.
Unless it’s a really clear matter, like don’t insult people in chat. Then sure, you can speak for the community.
As for me, I don’t even know myself if it’s a good idea or not. I proposed this in chat at the end of multiple games though, and a lot of people were into it.
Then is it worth dev time? Maybe, maybe not, I was not there at all with this post. I wanted to explore the idea without that aspect in mind, simply discuss the potentials benefits. Once that discussion is done, maybe we don’t even want it as a community. Then we don’t even need to know the dev time, because the community does think it would work.
And if a big part of the community would like it, THEN we can look into the dev time, sure. Their’s no way to know if something is worth dev time or not before we even know how much the community think it would be great or not. That is how you can judge if something is worth it or not. And even than, even if the community would want it, it still does not mean it is worth the dev time. The would require another discussion, with the devs opinion on it.
“aaah, that sublime implication. How quaint.”
I mean… Again, you can’t just keep saying stuff and then say it’s an implication… You do keep coming back to league of legends… I do not see how i’m implying that you keep coming back to it… if that is what you are typing… All i’m saying is that I do not see the link between league and GO community. I do not think they are the same kind of player base and intention in the game.
As for external gratification. I’m at this point were I am wondering if you are doing it on purpose and trolling me, but i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
" “If it is invisible to everyone but the user themselves, then why would anyone care what’s their honor score?”"
I said " in this age of instagram and needing approbation from others". So “external gratification” only meant, I do not need others to know if I am honorable or not, it can be sufficient for people to know it themselves. Like of course I was not talking about being Buddha and not needing anything in life, otherwise I would not be playing GO would I? Also… Maybe it could be visible, the only reason i proposed hidden honor, is if it would cause issues. All the options are on the table.
I feel like most of the time I try to answer your comment, you try to diverge elsewhere in some kind of imaginary loophole. Can we not try to find loopholes and just talk? You knew I was talking about some people not needing gratification from others… You purposely went elsewhere with that… Let’s not do that…
I tried to make it more specific to each things you mention, since if I do not mention each things specifically, it seems like were going in circle. I would hope we can get out of this loop.
I think we are mainly just not speaking the same language. I might have triggered you because I might have been accidentely triggered by non nuanced statements. What would be a good idea, is to delete all the arguing, and speak in private, so that the post serves it’s initial purpose. Or I can delete the post all together, make it more specific in terms of what I’m looking for, so that it serve’s it’s purpose.
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