@Groin and @Plum_Talk could you advise if OGS can help count the liberties of this Rengo game (with no Estimate of Score feature available): Some recommend other apps/website, yet I only want to focus on OGS. If it is not yet available, I will do it by hand and perhaps make a recommendations to OGS?
I’m sorry, I don’t have an answer, but maybe one of the admins can help?
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If you have difficulties to get some status of groups (dead/alive) you probably should keep playing until everything is clear.
I shouldn’t help an ongoing game.
You guess I fight myself to not tell you how to proceed here! Have fun.
Note that if the score estimator is by default very bad for ongoing games, this is by design, only good SE is provided for spectators or for finished games.
Don’t get fooled by these recommendations, you’ll have access to a very good score estimator (based on katago) on OGS as soon as your game is finished.
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Thank you very much @Plum_Talk & @Groin
It’s a unique situation in Rengo when only two players are still committed. It can be tricky to determine who has the better result and, who should resign according to proper etiquette.
So based on your advice, I’m trying to immerse myself fully in Go by:
- Understanding the bot’s perspective: The AlphaGo movie deeply influenced me, and out of curiosity, I want to get inside the mind of the AI.
- Counting stones manually: I’m going back to the basics, counting stone by stone, and liberties with my hand.
- Reliving the pre-AI era: I want to experience Go as it was before AI became so popular.
I believe this is a fantastic exercise for both my right and left brain:)
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That is what may be confusing here in this position.
Try to see well a bit more: to put away a liberty, you have sometimes the necessity to not put yourself in atari.
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And here it is @Plum_Talk the FUN part of eternal youth. Would you like to add anything to it:
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Dear @Groin or @Plum_Talk Am I too picky or that the list of all games we play isn’t currently sorted by time yet. To find out which needs my attention first, I need to convert all times into a single, comparable unit (like minutes or hours) and then sort them in ascending order.
I am anxious to enter the fourth game, not sure if I am going to score higher or lower than you and all Knights. Wishing you were there like in our 1st match. Yet I know I must face it on my own, sooner or later!
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Oh waw! I love this message! He is so touching, thank you very much, I am happy to be able to help you in your accomplishment of this wonderful game!
It’s always a pleasure to play, and at speed or you learn, I can’t wait to see yourself surpass myself!
Soon, I would ask you to teach me xD
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Interlude: The Question That Lingered
What if WeiQi is not only the Art of War — but also the Art of Peace?
What if the stones we “capture” are not enemies, but beloved teammates taking rest — like breath between movements, like leaves falling back to the earth?
This question first surfaced in early 2023, after a long winter of the soul — the Covid pandemic. It echoed again in every Chinese drama where a game of Go is not war-making, but peace-weaving. Not conflict, but communion.
In those stories, the board became a way to mend relationships, to speak truths too complex for words, to sit beside a rival and remember your shared humanity.
What if this grid does not divide us — but reminds us how to sit still beside one another?
What if those who “lose” were simply the ones who taught us best?
And what if the real territory we’re gaining… is ourselves?
EL EL EN EN
Day Out Of Time
July 25 2025
Celebrating 4 month OGS Journey
March 25 to July 25 2025
Chapter 12: Stones, Not Swords
July 2025. The world trembled.
Newsfeeds carried the weight of three simultaneous wars:
Russia and Ukraine still entrenched in a bitter conflict.
Iran and Israel inflaming one of the oldest tensions on Earth.
And closer to EL EL EN EN’s part of the world, a rising geopolitical rift:
Cambodia and Thailand testing the thin walls of diplomacy again.
Three wars.
Three wounds.
Three mirrors, showing humanity’s unhealed psyche.
What could a grid of black and white stones offer in the face of such things?
…
I didn’t have the answer — not fully. But I knew this:
I had a choice. Every day, every match. To destroy or to harmonize. To mirror the chaos of the outer world or to bring my full attention inward, to the breath, to the shape, to the silent space between moves.
Between June 9 and July 25, in a modest corner of my workplace, something quiet and radical took root.
A Go club. Offline. No posters. No sign-ups. Just a post-nap window of possibility.
I called it GoPRO.
Not a camera, not a brand — but an ethos: Go with Presence, Rhythm, and Openness.
From the beginning, the two of us who co-founded the club shaped its foundation with three core values: Mindful, Time Master, and Playful.
@Feng_Feng | and
@Plum_Talk it was all inspired from your club/of how you describe the Zest of Youth and Laughter and Hope. We are so thankful.
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At 1PM sharp, twice a week, we laid out the 9x9 and 13x13 and 19x19 boards.
Stones clinked into bowls. Phones were silenced. Laughter was soft, if it came at all.
What emerged between June 9 and July 25 was more than a club.
It was a field of coherence — a space where we were seen not for what we produced, but how we showed up.
Not a battlefield, but a garden of minds.
And I — still shaky, still rebuilding — had become its gardener.
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