🎉 Introducing GoTV 📺

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@yebellz

I think this is just completely on Twitch’s end and has to do with however they’ve put together their infrastructure (and has nothing to do with the particular streamer).

My feeling was that this was supposed to be advertisement? That’s how the timer on the top is called (even if it doesn’t actually show ads).

[shinuito]

@Gooplet

Honestly i think this specifically is what will hurt streamers more than anything else lol, bot accounts streaming 24/7 will probably discourage people from engaging with gotv on ogs in general

I feel like this is a bit misplaced of a concern. It makes sense in a wider context, about AI generated content sure, YouTube videos, art, blog posts and so on but is Chidorin really that bad?

Like they’re replaying shuusaku games, something that many people would be interested in. I mean people often ask about watching pro games anyway. Is the issue really that it’s a mostly an idle stream in some way, replaying games where you can’t be sure someone is actually present?

It’s probably been a generally unpopular stream for years, and maybe it’ll stay unpopular, but if people enjoy it…?

[shinuito]

@Gooplet

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Twitch plays go I can maybe more understand the point on.

It facilitates people to play a kind of rengo against Katago if I’m not mistaken, by typing moves in the chat.

I don’t think I would agree it should be blacklisted because it’s harmful for the twitch Go community. Look they even encourage other streamers to collaborate with them

This is Twitch Plays Go, where you get to collectively play Go with other members of twitch chat. If you’re a streamer, you can use the bot to play Go against your chat! Just use !joinstream. You will be the opponent by default every game, resign the current game in progress to get started. Make the bot leave by typing !leavestream.

The part that I could maybe agree with is that maybe it won’t work well with little to no chatters on twitch. So maybe the stream will be mostly idle while it’s live.

[_KoBa]

Do the mods have any tools to remove/hide streams which are incorrectly classified as “Go”? I remember once seeing some korean tv show there (tho i don’t know if that show was about go, i didnt watch that)

[BGPordee]

I don’t love it I hate this app​:rage:

[Sadaharu]

Do the mods have any tools to remove/hide streams which are incorrectly classified as “Go”?

I once saw a streaming of the programming language Go under the Go category on Twitch. Wonder if GoTV will pick that up too? lol

[Sadaharu]

@shinuito

is Chidorin really that bad?

I kind of feel bad for Chidorin having seen so many people wanting to blacklist him/her. It may be a bot, but at least he is trying to spread Go in his own way. Sometimes the soundtrack is nice, and hey maybe it’s enjoyable for people who likes to watch Shusaku games

[Gooplet]

@shinuito

I feel like this is a bit misplaced of a concern. It makes sense in a wider context, about AI generated content sure, YouTube videos, art, blog posts and so on but is Chidorin really that bad?

You’re probably right. Most of my concerns about this kind of thing are almost entirely based on conjecture, and I can forget that sometimes. But like I said in another comment,

@Gooplet

this is such a small issue, i’m just extremely bad at brevity when it comes to discussing any problem whatsoever. I don’t think it actually matters all that much haha

In practice on Twitch, both of these streams wound up with mostly no viewership (you can view stats for them and other streams on sullygnome), and a lot of folks have expressed irritation with them taking up space in the Go category on Twitch.

That said, the Twitch Go category is rather unique and different from most other parts of Twitch, and there’s a solid possibility that GoTV audience is yet again different enough from Twitch Go’s normal audience that such streams will be more appreciated than not.

And honestly, now that I’ve slept on it, it’s kind of nice to have an aesthetically pleasant stream like Chidorin’s constantly keeping GoTV on. Since all streams are cued up there, it’s kind of like a really, really nice screensaver for when nobody else is streaming.

@Sadaharu

I kind of feel bad for Chidorin having seen so many people wanting to blacklist him/her. It may be a bot, but at least he is trying to spread Go in his own way.

And I appreciate this perspective a lot. It’s really easy for me to lose sight of the fact that behind each of these bot accounts, there’s a person who’s trying to do something really cool.

I think my comments were a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to seeing a bot account getting more viewership than a real streamer. Given all these other thoughts, I’d vote to remove them from the banlist for the time being and just wait and see how the GoTV audience likes things.

It’s exciting new territory and maybe imposing my assumptions onto how things are run before we see how things play out is a really bad idea

[benjito]

Confusions will happen of course, but I believe the category OGS is watching is for “our Go”: Twitch Go Category

[Gooplet]

A simple but possibly inelegant solution to prevent showing non-Go streams that are incorrectly streaming under the Go category could be to only show streams that also include #baduk as a tag, maybe? Or some other predetermined tag? Somebody would need to tell new streamers about it, though, which is where it could get impractical pretty quickly

[benjito]

I’m not deep in the Twitch ecosystem, but does this happen often? Or if it’s rare, maybe this could be a good application of the blocklist?

[RubyMineshaft]

@Sadaharu

I once saw a streaming of the programming language Go under the Go category on Twitch. Wonder if GoTV will pick that up too?

@_KoBa

Do the mods have any tools to remove/hide streams which are incorrectly classified as “Go”? I remember once seeing some korean tv show there (tho i don’t know if that show was about go, i didnt watch that)

Not at present. We’d certainly pick up any stream miscategorized as Go, but it’s probably rare enough that it wouldn’t be a huge issue for now.

In the event that something does show up, the best course of action would be to click through to Twitch and report the stream as miscategorized content, and we could also blacklist the channel on the backend to prevent it from showing here. If it becomes a big enough issue we could add in some tools for moderators to do it, but for now I think it’s pretty low priority.

[shinuito]

I suppose again to that end, as an example there’s

Why isn't my streamer page activating? • lichess.org

If one did want to go down the route of limiting which channels or streams show up, one could make a process similar to lichess, you fill in something, linking your stream while logged in somehow and have it approved. Then as mentioned an autodetection with some keyword, which was mentioned in the OP anyway:

@RubyMineshaft

Getting Your Stream on GoTV

If you stream Go content, here’s how to get featured on GoTV:

• Stream in the Go category on Twitch.
• Alternatively, you can stream in Twitch’s Board Games category. Just be sure to use tags like go, weiqi, or baduk so we can find your stream.
• Your stream will automatically appear on GoTV, making it easy for the OGS community to watch and engage.

But essentially one could host a link to the instructions on the GoTV page itself somewhere.

I suppose the keyword thing, and intentionally linking your stream works around the problem of having to automatically find the stream through some category or other.

[Groin]

Juste a New born baby and the discussion turns already on what is proper material and how it will be filtered.

Let them live!

On a technical note

I can’t scroll down on the Twitch tab

[RubyMineshaft]

Yep yep, that one’s in the issue tracker:

GoTV twitch chat cookies prompt

It’s to do with Twitch not making that prompt scrollable for some reason. Gonna have to find a way to give the chat pane more height. Maybe by making the stream collapsible or something. Still brainstorming

[RubyMineshaft]

We made a few updates today based on feedback and suggestions.

Changes

• Default to Twitch chat, but remember which chat tab was active if a user prefers to use OGS chat
• Remember if chat pane was expanded or collapsed
• Add GoTV Preferences to Settings menu, with:
  • Setting to hide active streams indicator
  • Setting for disabling autoplay on load
  • Setting to filter mature streams, default: filtered
• Clicking TV indicator while on GoTV page will return user to previous location
• Immediately show indicator on site load if streams are available, rather than waiting for next push from backend
• Additional visual bug fixes

[richyfourtytwo]

Thanks, you fixed a minor annoyance of mine (autoplay) before I even mentioned it!

[Gia]

I have it off

but it still autoplays, am I doing something wrong; I’m really not used to Twitch, so it may be something obvious.

Also, I’m somehow invested in that mysterious Chidorin everyone’s talking about, now I wanna watch it too!

[RubyMineshaft]

Yep, I just saw that too. Pushing up a fix now

[richyfourtytwo]

@Gia

I have it off

but it still autoplays

Switching that off has worked for me about 10 minutes ago, but now it seems to auto-play again for me as well. Some glitch in rolling this out?