Quick Positions

Sure but do you think the timing appropriate?

I don’t know, but so far R12 is the move I favour in the given position.

//Edit: There is a possible cut around Q7 for later.

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But my thoughts is because of the q7 cut, black can’t defend this area in one move, thus it is not the most urgent.

this is common shape, but a little complex to me, not really sure.

Sure and the peep and the sansan. But black will develop a thickness erasing w moyo at the top

Do you think there’s any way for Black to live in the lower left?

Black’s stones on the top edge are alive.

I was trying out some variations that seemed promising, especially with D2 as the key move, but I couldn’t find a thoroughly reliable path to life.

dead

J3 threatening J5 may help too

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The earlier position is even more interesting.

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I was just reviewing a game with a joseki I wasn’t familiar with, because it became a lot less popular at the turn of this century. It emerges from the Q16 push-in at Play Go at online-go.com! | OGS

It has an established continuation like this:

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A question appeared to me, though: what if (2) is played at (3), resisting the capture of the D2 stone?

Here is a line I thought up, which seems reasonable to me at my 3–5k level:

It seems possible that, if one were very good at semeai, perhaps (15) could be played at (16). I, however, am not.

Difficult to judge. I would think this is too good to be true for black. In that case, white can play 11 at 16

My worry, as a player – as stated – not great at semeai, is what happens if White plays (11) at (16) and Black plays (12) somewhere in the corner, eg. at B2.

In a simple analysis, White would then have only four liberties to Black’s five.

idk, i quit. don’t like to study live or death

i wouldn’t worry about my style of playing to decide moves though. if i feel in theory it is good for me, i would play. i don’t think i am good at any style anyway

Wait, how does black kills the white corner if it plays at 16?

IDK. I’m just noting that White’s liberties become less than Black’s and White has no defined eyespace, therefore implying a semeai will take place.

Also, if White does play (11) at (16) and Black crawls again, what then? We’re faced with the same choice between a further extension and a defence inside the corner.

That’s your problem then. :joy:

In my plays, I try to avoid this kind of complexity at the first place, cause it’s impossible for me to read this out, even without time pressure. Especially this early stage of the game, I am not ready to gamble.

On second thought, i would just give up the corner, white is not necessarily losing and if it turns out white lives in the corner …

Fuseki problem posted by David Mitchell in the Sydney Go Journal #6 (2006).

To me, E feels a bit smallminded (or subwayish?) and C looks to miss the point. B I consider to be in a slightly small area.

A looks nice but I don’t think I’d find it in a game. It has a bottish taste.

So I’d play D here, which feels most natural to me.

Solution given

A

Note, however, that this is not a professional position, and many amateur fuseki exercises have been originally given solutions that professionals have later disagreed with or found not to be convincingly the best.

Mitchell doesn’t give his reasoning.

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After being shown the bottish move A, I would have chosen that. Otherwise I would be torn between E and C.

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I think something around tengen would also be interesting.

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Fuseki is outdated.