Disclaimer: I know I can turn off announcements. I am no streamer and did not watch the youtubers (except probably Redmond) till recently only pro game commentaries from the EGF.
Hello. I have been playing on OGS for about one year now. And I am asking myself what the purpose of the stream announcement feature is or rather how it is used. I can understand that some people might be interested in seeing a live commentary by the EGF or AGA. I also like a lot to watch the broadcasts but the players there are typically dan players.
I currently get notifications of lots of different āamateursā casually streaming go daily. In numbers most of them seem to be low SDK to low DDK players. None of them is affiliated with OGS other than playing on the server. Again I have no problem with people switching to a different server in between and sometimes it can be enlightening on what a low SDK players thinks of the game.
However this format is no fit for this community. Sorry for being a bit ignorant but I imagine this āgameplayā and entertainment would best stay on platform like youtube or twitch. Not saying it does not exist there indeed it does so a lot. Some of them are teachers at the same time. But again I think even considering that one wants the Go community to grow you shouldnāt do advertising for them beyond the like already there under āOther Go resourcesā My suggestion would be to just leave the announcements to associations or title matches etc. not some person with 5 people watching practicing joseki. I just hope we donāt end up like this with all the gamification on Fox. https://www.reddit.com/r/badukshitposting/comments/8zp9fd/comment/e2kfzcy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
why did you link to r/badukshitposting?
Selecting announcement is a perilous task that you can do by yourself (and in your own specific interest). Turn them off and when you have time go check the history.
On the side your link leads nowhere related to your suggestion.
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again: streamer announcements should have the streamer rank as part of the metadata, and your profile has a setting āOnly show streamers of strength at leastā x kyu/dan/pro.
I had to block announcements from 12 streamers so farā¦
That actually sounds like a really effective way to make the announcements more useful
I havenāt noticed an excess of kyu streamers. Most seem to be dan. The announcements are a tremendous convenience, and I have found Dwyrin and Ben Kyo to be very helpful.
Looking at recent history of announcements, about 60% of streaming announcements are from dan players.
Obscuring my clock during a blitz game is not convenient, itās infuriating.
Is a dan streamer obscuring your clock during blitz less infuriating?
It seems like you just need to turn off announcements during blitzā¦
No, each occurrence in isolation is equally infuriating, but with the strength filter there are fewer of them, and 2 infuriating things is less infuriating than 10 infuriating things. There are multiple things wrong with the announcements system: the actual UI design of the location of the toast obscuring the clock, the configuration design with lack of filter, and the process design of allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to make announcements without following well-defined guidelines for making informative announcements that donāt annoy people (gooplet started a thread about this a while ago, but a lot of announcements donāt follow the good suggestions there so either that never became OGS policy or it is not followed/enforced).
Iām pretty amenable to the idea of configurable streamer filtering.
One objection will be āanother lever on the cockpitā.
Iām also curious what happened to the gooplet guidelines? Did they find a home in our doco, so moderators can (and should) refer people to them?
Occasional 4-kyu streamer here; whenever I use this feature I enjoy a significant boost in viewers, and so appreciate that itās there and Iām allowed to use it.
But I agree that the position of the popup over game info is annoying, and its behaviour isnāt toast-like enough ā itās opaque, too easily clickable and you have to manually close it. Surely thereās a less intrusive place.
I feel like this just fixes everything. Wonder how hard something like that is to implement?
I agree with you. You seem not to realize that you are speaking of āconvenienceā with a different reference than I was. I was speaking of the existence of announcements as convenient, you are speaking of the specific placement on the page as inconvenient. This is called speaking at cross-purposes.
As another person who finds streamer banners very annoying when in a game (though I donāt mind them outside of that), it seems like an easy*, intermediate fix is to just not display them in /game
pages. I canāt imagine that most users prefer to have these visible while playing. Certainly not in live/blitz games, at the very least.
Are there any objections to this proposal (from the āwe should have more bannersā side, that is)?
[*I assume!]
Yeah, I also agree, streaming announcements shouldnāt turn up on game pages.
But then weād need two categories, methinks:
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one for streamers (everywhere except on game pages),
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and another for OGS/game server announcements, like āserver update, weāll be down for ~5 minutesā or similar, which, IMO, should show on game pages.
People observing a game may want to see the announcement.
Imo it would be good if announcements/notifications can be viewed as a list in another page, and users can mark them as read. But I donāt know how much development work that is.