Perhaps this was a double entendre haha
I’d definitely expect to see more going on in China and India, but if studying Go has taught me anything, it’s how much Asian literature hasn’t made it to the West
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That’s why I said that this is only the history we know of. E.g. I assume that there are centuries upon centuries of battles that took place in the American continent (let us not forget that when the Europeans arrived, Tenochtitlan was one of the greatest cities in the world both in population and grandeur), however the Conquistadors never really bothered learning their language and reading their recorded history and in most cases they outright destroyed such things on a massive scale. Ergo it is not a bias per se (which would imply that there are records, but whoever compiled the map purposefully ignores them), but of actual historical ignorance or total lack or records.
Be that as it may, the original point I wanted to make remains. The places that we are talking about are not some neutral grounds that it just happens to be the stage of some rare conflict so that we can just shrug and ignore history. These lands are literally recurring battlegrounds since the ancient times and on a large scale, ergo the sheer amount of backstory and history affects the current situations. (Though I need to point out that the map does seem to record a battle near Yakutsk and Yukon and now I want to find out who fought there. Next time I’ll pick Greenland 
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Good point. In that case that would be the kind of historical bias Gennan mentioned.
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With bias, I meant not only cultural or political biases. I consider (a lack of) availability of records to be a bias as well (as in a statistical/selection/historic bias).
Even in Mediterranean history many records were lost by accidental or deliberate destruction of the place where those records were kept, such as the Library of Alexandria and the city of Carthage.
And I suppose that many records of the Middle East have been lost as well during periods of wars and famines (e.g. during the Bronze Age Collapse some 3200 years ago).
And many (semi-)nomadic peoples who moved into Europe from the Eastern European/Central Asian steppes didn’t keep written records, so we have to rely on 3rd party records from the literate civilisations that they came in contact with. There are probably many battles between those nomadic peoples that we have no record of, just because they were never written down.
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Currently the logo of OGS is flag of Ukraine.
But the latest war is between Palestine and Israel.
So, even though I don’t know which one you are standing with? But I think is the time to change the logo of OGS now?
No matter which one you would select, I have nothing to say, I just notice that it should be updated.
I’m convinced that OGS can always select the right side in Multi-parties political game.
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Welcome to the forums!
There are no “right sides” in war.
This topic has already been discussed, see here.
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emmmm, thank you for your reply, you are a nice guy because you said a truth, “There are no right sides in war.”
I am not interested in who’s correct or not, and not interested in if the logo was Israel-Style, Palestine-Style, Ukraine-Style or Russia-Style.
I just want OGS to turn logo back to the original one if it cannot ensure who holds justice EACH TIME.
I think Go should be the main content of OGS. 
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Super rely! Respect.
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Maybe this topic can be merged with preexisting one?
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Here is another pre-existing thread using the same line of reasoning: Swap the flags
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It is, rest assured, and it always was.
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Israel has now killed 11,422 Palestinian children in Gaza, in just 11 weeks.
11,422 children.
A holocaust is happening right before our eyes.
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As an anti-fascist and anti-racist, being a sympathizer with the Palestinian people’s original fight for freedom, I find it increasingly difficult to take sides in this.
The current Israeli administration is certainly fascistoid and extremely vengeful, so much seems clear, and their settler policy is bound to provoke even more attacks.
But what exactly do we expect from a people who have been suffered THE Holocaust, from those wo survived an attempt at industrially organized, systematic extermination of a whole ethnic group (plus many other groups of people: Roma, Sinti, homosexuals, communists, socialists, Jehova’s Witnesses, etc.)—what exactly do we expect of them when their only refuge, given to them by the colonialists of the past, is attacked on a daily basis? For DECADES? How many suicide attacks on civilians, on innocent people, are they expected to endure until they explode, and then (of course) overstate their case?
I’d wish for the Palestinian people to liberate themselves from their terrorist leaders, as much as I wish for the Israeli people to liberate themselves from their fascistoid leaders.
But taking sides, i.e. sympathizing with one side AGAINST the other side, seems very wrong to me.
But we can try to look at the respective societies, right? Like, we can look at what and how many liberties an individual enjoys on both sides … just imagine an individual being openly gay, in Israel, compared to Palestine …
But still, this doesn’t make it right what Israel is doing: “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” But then again this applies to both sides again.
So, meanwhile, whenever someone focuses on the wrongs of one of the warring sides here, I become suspicious as to what wrongs of the other side they might be denying.
Also, for everyone who feels the urge to use the word “holocaust” here:
As for Putin’s war against the Ukraine: This cannot be compared to the Israel/Palestine conflict, as it was clearly Putin who proactively attacked and invaded another sovereign country. The situation in Israel and Palestine is much more complicated.
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The medical authorities affirmed that the toll of Israeli aggression on Gaza had risen to 21,320 victims and 55,603 wounded since October 7.
Spokesman for the Health Ministry Ashraf al-Qudra indicated that 312 health personnel were killed during the Israeli attacks, while hundreds more were injured.
The Israeli occupation deliberately targeted 142 medical facilities, put 23 hospitals and 53 primary care centers out of service, and destroyed 104 ambulances.
The level of Israel’s aggression today is truly unmatched (83-days). It has never occurred before, not even in events like WW2 or Vietnam.
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You know how many people were killed in WW2 in a timespan of 83 days on average? About 3.4 million.
Jews alone would count to about 270,000 every 83 days over 5 years of war. The number of casualties in Gaza, if instead taking place as the murder of Jewish people in WW2, was reached in less than a week. If you consider that most executions only took place in the last two years of the war, there must even have been singular days where as many Jews died as the total number of casualties in Gaza.
That’s not to say that what Israel is doing right now is justified (in my opinion far from it). Israel’s aggression could be seen as an out-of-proportion reaction to Hamas’ attack, but it’s not at all an “unmatched level” of violence, and calling it a holocaust is trivialising the scale of the actual holocaust.
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You’re right, the Second World War isn’t the best example for the 83 days. Apart from that, it’s unheard of that we’ve killed so many people, around 21,000 or 22,000 people. They’re not soldiers, but mostly civilians and children.This has never happened before on such a scale. It definitely hasn’t occurred with Ukraine and Russia in there current conflict . There’s no doubt about it.
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Among examples mentioned by others, there is the Holodomor in the 1930s that cost the live of some 3 million Ukrainians, which is recognised as genocide by 34 countries (though not including New Zealand).
Also it seems that in the current Russo-Ukrainian war, Russia has taken some 200,000 Ukrainian children from occupied Ukrainian territories, which is considered a war crime and/or genocide and which is the main reason that the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin.
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If this thread is going to become “let’s educate usabilitynz about mass deaths”, here’s my entry: the firebombing of Tokyo near the end of WW2 with around 100,000 civilians killed in one night (with no nukes).
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" Yes, the issue of Russia taking Ukrainian children from occupied territories is a complex and disputed one, with the numbers and circumstances heavily contested. Here’s a breakdown of the different claims:
Ukrainian Claims:
President Zelenskyy stated in June 2023** that over 200,000 Ukrainian children have been forcibly taken to Russia or Russian-occupied territories since the war began.
Daria Herasymchuk, Ukrainian presidential adviser on child rights,** put the number as high as 300,000.
Ukraine accuses Russia of committing a war crime** by unlawfully deporting and transferring Ukrainian children.
Russian Claims:
Maria Lvova-Belova, Russian Children’s Commissioner,** claims that over 700,000 Ukrainian children have been taken to Russia, but Ukrainian officials dispute this number, saying she hasn’t provided a verifiable list.
The Kremlin denies any wrongdoing,** calling the ICC’s accusations “outrageous and unacceptable.”
Important Points to Consider:
Independent verification of these claims is difficult** due to the ongoing war and limited access to occupied territories.
The nature of the transfers varies:** some children may have been evacuated from war zones with parental consent, while others may have been separated from their families without their knowledge or consent.
The long-term impact of these transfers is unknown,** but concerns include re-education, assimilation,and psychological trauma.
International Action:
The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants in March 2023 for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova** on charges related to the deportation of Ukrainian children.
Efforts are ongoing to track the children and reunite them with their families.
Overall, while the exact number of children taken remains unclear, there is significant evidence suggesting that Russia has engaged in the forced transfer of Ukrainian children, which could be considered a war crime. This issue continues to be a major point of contention in the ongoing conflict."
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