But here even if black 1 survive I don’t expect the whole center to become pure dame, I expect white to get some more benefits from the attack (and black 1 group 2 points maybe)
C8 really? Won’t then B10 kill the upper black group?
White’s lower right group is attackable and the influence of black stone at K6 makes it hard for white to make much in the center, I think. And to secure 50 points on the upper side, white will need to push K16, making black stronger in the center.
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I didn’t get in fact why K6 is already on the board
Black K6 is part of a sequence I suggested, which @mark5000 used to estimate the score (to evaluate if it is playable for black).
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Yes sure but you don’t play twice as black the shoulder hit and k6
I mean if k6 is played then w can enlarge his own framework before a shoulder hit
In @mark5000’s score estimation diagram, white played move 6 at A16. So I added move 7 (1) at K16 in my score estimation diagram to reduce white’s upper side.
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O ok I missed move 6 my bad
In both of the images posted above where people estimate the score, it still seems to me like White could start a ko battle with A10 and stand a chance of killing Black’s whole upper right group. I’m just not convinced it’s unconditionally alive yet.
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It would take white a lot of moves to actually kill the side black group, by the time white did it, the whole bottom side is black, and black can still ko to live, or even push out to gain more liberties…
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I just has one question for everyone trying to count territory- If black answer at A16, and white directly go into the bottom side with H3 and then L3. and just make a shape and break for it, then where is the black’s territory now?
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Yes, black is is not unconditionally alive in the upper left, but white needs to start a ko quickly, before black plays A9. Also note that white’s lower right group is also not settled, so I think black has a lot of ko material there.
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One answer could be if black in the process surround white down right group, can he kill it?
So I count about 40 points on the board for both. White also has komi, but white is quite thin in the lower half of the board, so I feel this is also a close game.
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Surround the lower right? how? I feel it would be pretty hard to seal white in without white take many moves from the outside and make the center moyo larger and larger. It’s even harder to kill the whole white group outright.
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I guessed it was a bit over optimistic.
Well breaking black is huge for sure
Still a question in the base sequence, is black 3 at A10 an option to avoid a ko?
I guess it’s less efficient for going out, but still sente.
Are you sure black 3 at A10 will be sente?
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I agree it is relatively even at this point, but realistically too early to tell.
Not an easy game on both side I feel, especially black has to do something to keep pressure and punish white’s sparse moyo.
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Well the cut is surely a bit more manageable by white so no I am not completely sure 
I am just a bit annoyed with 2 Kos on black shoulders then not answering white A16
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