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Because domesticated animals were wild before we domesticated them. If they weren’t domesticatable we couldn’t have domesticated them. Not every animal can be domesticated, so it seems pretty evident the animal itself has some say in the arrangement.

Obviously any animal can be imprisoned, like in a zoo, but that’s not the same thing.

Some farms don’t even have fences, because the animals just prefer being near the farmer. Fences are more for your neighbours than to restrain the animals.

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No, that’s maybe true for a few Starbucks locations like the reserves or Pike Place, but most locations really are basically fast food restaurants. The only thing that matters is speed.

I’d even sometimes get in trouble when I took the time and care to make a complicated beverage correctly. I can think of more than a few times when I was doing that, but then a coworker pushed me out of the way to do my task faster because they felt I was going too slowly, and then the beverage the customer received was subpar and I had to remake it anyway.

In general, most cafes in the US will hire you without any experience and train you there, including on latte art. If you can already do that well, it’s basically a guarantee that you can land a job at any café.

Starbucks is its own special monster though. Some baristas there can do latte art, but I’ve heard of baristas getting in trouble because of the extra few seconds of attention it took to pour the milk correctly for the arts’ sake :weary:

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Perhaps natural temperment (though I still wouldn’t qualify this as “having a say”) plays a role, but there are many other factors that play into whether humans domesticate a species.

The short answer to why there are relatively few domesticated breeds: domestication is expensive, humans chose their investments carefully.

I’m pretty sure there’s different ways of domestication, some giving the animals more freedom and respect their own will, some don’t. Some institutions of the dairy industry hold their animals in ways that can’t be justified, and the animals can’t defend themself against it. Having this in mind, I disagree with what you are saying.

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I wonder what the first person who discovered cow milk was thinking…

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“I saw another animal consume this, so I will try this out” seems to be a good heuristic. The ones who discovered cheese and butter? Much crazier people at the times. “Yeah, I’m gonna try this days old liquid! It’s solid now!?” Same with beer too, being old carbs.

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Starbucks being expensive seems to be part of its appeal in Thailand, where people post pictures of their drinks (ensuring the logo is visible) on social media as an apparent sign of afflueunce and westernism in the quest for likes and status.

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Obviously like MC Do, Subway, Burger K, Hagendas and such…

Prices are still very linked to the living cost in each country. Nothing in common in what you ll pay in Switzerland or in Bangkok.
Then I find all these a bit overpriced compared to local food everywhere. Although there are some policy to offer a special very cheap menu like in France these last years (and which is quite successful)

Back on drinks Coca cola has quite high price in western countries, the basic can was at 1/4 euro in western China, 4 to 8 times is what I pay now in Fr. Comparing small shops, not about TGV, hypermarkets, bars, airports etc…

I don’t recall seeing those brands in Facebook posts of my wife’s Thai friends, but the Starbucks ones are numerous.

I’d think it was …

  1. not necessarily cow milk,
  2. not necessarily a human person,
  3. perhaps by watching other mammals,
  4. probably the adoption of an orphaned mammal baby, think “Jungle Book” (Akela and Mowgli)
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Something I would consider if I had a lot of money.

Is that not part of the (I presume) appeal elsewhere, too?

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I’m fond of the Moka Pot. It’s pretty versatile in that it can change the coffee flavour just by adjusting cooking temps and speed.
The only downside is that when going from a gas stove to induction, it became a bit more difficult. Because on induction there is no “low power”, it is just maximum power for a few seconds, and then off for a longer period. But I got used to it, and I still enjoy the process of grinding beans and filling the pot and stuff.

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Yeah I’ve seen it before but I’ve never tried it because it looks so troublesome :joy:

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Oh my, I can’t even. So many assumptions/misconceptions (IMO ofc, based on what I have learned in the past ~40 decades).

TBH, I was so shocked by your statements that I thought it was better to leave you in your ignorance (bliss, right?), lest you’d think that I’d want to “fight” you (I don’t!), but then I remembered that I MUST speak up for those who have no voice, and that I MUST contradict if someone says things that are not true that lead to innocent beings being harmed.

willing to be domesticated

WHAT? You believe it is a choice?

making us some milk

WHAT?
You believe they make the milk FOR US?

Still haven’t understood “Mammal”? “Mother’s milk”?

would not be domesticatable like most mammals are not

Where do you get that from? AFAIK any mammal that grows up close to humans sees us as their family, just check out the Web sites of animal sanctuaries where they raise orphaned wild animals.

Also, check out the following documentaries, if you dare:

“Earthlings – 10 years anniversary edition”

“Dominion”

Cowspiracy
Official Teaser:

If you really WANT to watch Cowspiracy, I will gift it to you.

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Obviously not for animals born into it today. I was referring to the species as a whole, and particularly at the time they became domesticated.

Vsotvep already addressed this…

Raising orphaned wild animals, as far as I’m aware, is not how domestication happens. Domestication happens when you convince a whole herd of animals that living near humans is better than staying wild.

I’ll at least click on each of your videos, but if any are over an hour I can’t promise I’ll finish them.

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Helpful short video explaining the difference between domestication and taming and how domesticating implies changing a plant or animal to better suit our needs

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Ok so the video explains why some species can be domesticated, and some can’t. None of the given reasons are “Because this species sees a positive trade in being domesticated.”

:face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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Friendly = somewhat agreeable to the things you want it to do
feedable = free food = win
Fecund = species preservation = win

How are any of those not the species getting a positive trade?