Reminds me somewhat of Prisoners Dilemma. Bit of a longer watch, the conclusion is that the near-optimal strategy is cooperate until you’re betrayed, then repay like for like. (It goes on to cover even better strategies for the interested)
@Samraku , it’s your turn, isn’t it?
Sorry; I just woke up.
I guess we discovered the first lie in the game, then.
I’m thinking about playing at or around J10, but I have to work now and will postpone making a decision for a bit.
I played as far from the corner as the position allowed me; I did not change the direction of play.
You did not play in the corner, you played as close to me on the side as the position allows you. 8th line stones are not corner stones. This gives @Auri far and beyond the most area to expand (while I believe Auri already has by far the most potential and should be limited) and it limits my possibilities yet again, after your L10 move did so as well. I was interested in cooperation with you, but I get betrayal instead.
It’s ironic that you’re the one claiming to be:
As far as I’m concerned, you have indeed lost all value as a potential ally. I should’ve played O8 myself in retrospect.
While it is partially a defensive move against Red, it is also a show of trust towards Auri that she will fairly partition the lower right. Obviously I’m going to trust my allies more than some who declared themselves to being to the Northern Alliance.
I literally asked you if you wanted to become allies with me, though, I discussed my moves with you, followed your suggestion. What more could I have done?
You’re handing Auri first place on a golden plate, how’s that going to help you?
Also, how can lying about your next move be helpful for building trust in any way?
Auri even invited you to play in the corner.
I will say nothing is certain. With cooperation a player can still easily be eliminated in a single turn.
If one player were so far in the lead, and others didn’t like their chances, a lone stone could be captured.
But I’m pacifist
In principle, the others could gang up to topple the “king of hill”, but there’s substantial risk in overextending oneself, and as @Vsotvep noted, it might not fit with one’s general strategic demeanor.
I share this sentiment.
Oh lord what did I wake up to…
As far as I’m concerned @Samraku made a reasonable move and while one might disagree, framing someone as a liar in that manner is way out of proportion
But how is a move on the 8th line in any way “playing in the corner”?
Would you honestly have seen this move coming from someone saying they’re planning to play in the South-East corner?
Samraku could’ve easily said “I’m planning on playing on the side”, then I wouldn’t have had any problem with that, we could probably work something out, like me playing L13 instead. But they didn’t, probably scared that I would then play O8 myself or something.
I now have weakened my position, I feel like I need to defend around O10 next move to stop Samraku from entering my base, and although I’m being friendly to Martin, there’s nothing preventing them from playing L13 and removing my only way left at expanding.
You can see how I feel like I’ve been lied to, right?
The move is reasonable, but contrary to what was said earlier: that’s what I have issue with.
Yes I get that and you can be unhappy about that. You can also voice that you are unhappy about that, but it should fit the situation.
Let’s talk about what I personally think is the situation:
We are playing a board game, with no nothing on the line, but potentially fun.
Someone said (from their point of view) “I think, I’m going to play in the corner.”
Then it was their turn, they thought about it, realized that there is a better move and decided “Well actually, if there is a better move, I’d rather play that one” and so they did.
What I think you heard was “I promise I won’t play close to you” and then they played close to you, so you feel betrayed.
So now you understandably want to voice that you think this isn’t fair.
And there are a lot of ways to do that. To give an example: “Hey I thought you were going to play in the corner and now you are playing that close to me, I think that’s not alright.” Maybe even ask for them to use an Undo and play somewhere else if you want.
But framing someone with 100% certainty as a liar (in a public forum where so many people that aren’t even involved in the game can see it) because from your perspective this is the case, is out of proportion, for this one thing that happened that may have been a misunderstanding. Even if you think it couldn’t have been one.
Calling someone a liar with this certainty and persistence is in my opinion an extremely hard accusation, that shouldn’t be thrown around easily and it will definitely hurt the person on the receiving end.
The rest of your post is accurate, but I don’t think Vsotvep is conflating behavior within the game with behavior outside the game.
Sorry that I went full on kindergarten teacher here, that might have been out of proportion as well