(Excellent loophole 
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KAOS found good evidence to support their own innocence. Now, they should reiterate their arguments for why they believe that Samraku is more likely to be innocent than Assai.
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If I wasnāt dead, I would probably go after them because they are actually posting right now unlike some others.
Why? Just for talking? Do you find that suspicious?
Edit: by āgo after themā, I was assuming that you meant āgo againstā rather than āsupportā, right?
I would essentially try to argue that they are suspicious because they themselves had to show what posts they made that were good, when an enemy has the same ability to make those posts.
Commander Vsotvep was taken aback by this sudden avalanche of questions from Lt. yebellz. Never in his life had Vsotvep really cared about humanity; as far as he was concerned, the rest of earth could burn as long as he got a chance to discover the secrets of Mars. And indeed, Mars turned out to be a lot more multi-layered than he had ever thought.
He also never thought of the research the aliens conducted as unethical: as long as itās research Vsotvep had no problems with it. In fact, it hadnāt even come up in him to ask the aliens about it. He was more than ready to betray the entire planet Earth, if it meant he could in a distant future travel to visit black holes up close, view the Dyson-sphere farms and have a chat with superintelligent AI. He was wondering if his favourite game had been solved by the aliens yetā¦
Ruby interrupted his train of thought
āOh, hi Ruby, yes, come in, come in, I was just talking with yebellz, who still seems a little distressed. See here, lieutenant, I donāt know about you, but I find these Chi Virginians make a pretty compelling case. That whole Martian colony business, itās just a small step for mankind. Think about the huge step we personally could make with these aliens! The options are virtually limitless!
Iām sure our pals at the base are fine, theyāve been trained for these kind of harsh situations, Iām sure they can handle it. Moreover, if they wish, we can fully memory-wipe anybody who wants to go back, is it really psychological torture if the process can be reversed and forgotten?āVsotvep was unaware of the ethical dilemma he was proposing here, as this was a very obvious rhetorical question through his eyesāThe only reason you guys have not had the invitation to join our CivSimCorp, is because I wanted to have a proper mission debriefing with all of our crew. Weāre in it together till the end, after all.
OOC
Iām trying my best not to develop my own character into a villain, but who knows where this leadsā¦
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(I like where this goes.)
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Lt. yebellz maintained his demeanor through Commander Vsotvepās dismissive replies to his concerns, but inwardly felt disgust at the betrayal revealed by the commanderās words. It took all of his effort not wince at the comparison of the colony mission to ājust a small step for mankindā and the open willingness to sacrifice it all for the sake of a personal leap by collaborating with these aliens.
He thought, āHow dare these scientists care only about personal curiosity and discovery! What good are the gifts of knowledge and experience if they cannot be shared toward the betterment all of humankind? How tragic that the commander has fallen prey to the aliensā promise of scientific hedonism! We are not their beneficiaries, but only their lab rats! Surely, there must be others in this prison that feel the same way, but remaining hidden with their true intentions, while bidding their time to find the right opportunity to exploit and escape.ā
Ruby arriving at the door reminded Lt. yebellz that he might have at least one potential ally in his endeavor.
Thank you for the consideration, Commander. Yes, letās wait for the others to arrive, and I look forward to the debriefing and discussion of how we may proceed.
Hello, Ruby. Iām glad that we have survived this ordeal so far. I was sure that we were both doomed this evening, but things havenāt turned out quite like how I expected.
OOC, game kibitz
ginger has woken up and cast the third vote against Assai, but has not made any posts yet. Maybe they are thinking how to say it with emojis.
Oh, are you saying what you would try to do if you were hypothetically a mimic in Assaiās position? I guess I was confused and thought you were saying what you would do as an innocent astronaut, but that would not make much sense.
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No. I meant that is what I wouldāve probably done had I not been killed. I always try to start something over what is basically nothing and it is usually over something really stupid and then it ends up getting questioned by someone else and dropped. Eventually I probably woulda come back to Assai for another stupid reason too so I donāt even know what my final vote wouldāve been. I woulda been the one killed in the poll instead though. I really shoulda been this game. I feel I did way worse than you and some of the others killed in the poll.
Assai takes the same route yebellz did. Will it work, or is it too passive? (I think the latter, but anything more aggressive will probably be interpreted as a panicking mimic)
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Ginger had switched their vote from Assai to nobody, but this stunt by Assai seems to have motivated ginger to put their vote back on Assai.
I think the stunt is a very different type of strategy for Assai than me. For them, it can only be effective if it succeeds as a bluff for changing the vote off of them.
For me, I was actually fine with dying at that stage in the game. My goal was not to survive until the end of the game, but to help the astronauts win. In fact, I think my survival would have worsened the prospects for the astronauts, since I had the lost the confidence of HHG (who is probably still annoyed with me for @ mentioning them ātoo muchā) and ginger (for targeting them). I think I would have had a very little chance of winning the vote if I did make it to the final 3, which would have spelled doom for the astronauts. As an innocent that attracted so much suspicion, I had to die at that stage to avoid being a liability later on.
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No, ginger changed before Assaiās comment, after KAOSā arguments probably convinced them.
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I think the remaining players are putting too much emphasis on directly reasoning about the innocence/guilt of Assai from their messages. Assai has played a very solid game so far, and I donāt think anything they said offers firm evidence of their guilt.
Instead, the deduction should revolve around whether the arguments put forward for the innocence of Samraku and KAOS are believable.
To believe that Sports/Samraku is a mimic would require believing that Gia and Starline (who also stated a high belief that Sports was guilty) were ready to sacrifice them from quite an early stage of the game, which only makes sense as a very risky ploy to make themselves seems less guilty. However, I think it should be viewed as unlikely that Gia and Starline would have adopted such a strategy, from a psychological perspective, and since it would not be a very nice way to treat Sports as a fellow mimic player.
The argument for KAOSās innocence should also seem plausible, since believing that they were a mimic would require one to believe that they were ready to throw Starline under the bus. Their role in instigating suspicions against Starline seemed to have been barely remembered (even by KAOS themselves), so the idea that it was just a ploy to make KAOS appear innocent by sacrificing Starline seems less plausible.
In general, for werewolf games, I believe people playing as the evil role will have a strong psychological aversion to creating suspicions against their fellow evils. Not only because I think doing so as a ploy has little (or negative) value when done too early in the game, but also because it does not come off as very nice to your fellow players and teammates to suggest that they sacrifice themselves and end their participation in the game. Of course, itās another thing if a player volunteers to sacrifice themselves to make others seem less guilty, but I think there is also a strong psychological aversion to that as well.
Thanks for clarifying the timing. I wish the players would actually try to track the vote.
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I donāt find that word choice off. The vote executions happen at the end of the day as we transition from day to night. Thus, it seems natural to call it the āeveningā, which to me encompasses the transition from day to night.
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O.O.C.:
(EDIT: I wrote this yesterday)
It was actually a convincing argument from KAOS. I wish someone followed up by noticing Assai was playing low most of the game until it was explicitly pointed out that the silent ones would be killed. The truth is that innocents are usually not so preoccupied of being killed themselves as much as of killing another innocent. He also started mimicking (pun obviously intended) @yebellz style of counting himself as possible mimic āfor honestyā.
(update: Assai did predictably mimic you and and it backfired, apparently 
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Iām afraid Iāll have to constrain you there. Specifically, that story should pre Covid-19. Other than that is fair game.
Backstory:
So far, Iāve been asking people not to change some of the things that Iāve had in mind, but I think that is a little unfair, more so because I havenāt particularly given any world-building details.
In my defense, it wouldnāt have made good storytelling to just parrot out everything plainly like an encyclopƦdia, but Iāll give a few details of what Iāve thought so far for starters. You guys donāt need to agree, but I wanted to put out these suggestions:
Of World History
In this alternative universe everything matches history so far (history is canon here), and any additions should make sense accordingly. However this shouldnāt preclude the existence of fictional places and even fictional nations.
The future is a matter of speculation. Iād suggest not to wildly guess what will happen in near future (the next few years), but so far, by 2088, a few things have been established:
- Earth developed interplanetary capacity (space lifts, Mars colonies, expanded ISSā¦). Thereās also private investment in this endeavor.
- Sentient AIs exist.
- Alien species apparently exist (we yet know nothing of the honesty of their intentions, or even their account of events).
- Global warming has destroyed many island nations, forcing their populations to become refugees. Real world problems are far from being solved, and Iām totally with yebellz on that.
Of Werewolf Games
Unfortunately, Iām yet to go through the first two threads. Iām assuming that vampires, werewolves and kosumi castle happened quite some time in the past (may I suggest the 1800ās, which is about the time of Bram Stoker and Mary Shelley?).
@RubyMineshaft constrained the story when he said " Did you ever figure out why 27-O-56 stopped reminding you to take your medicine?". This suggest that the android disappeared not very long ago, probably a matter of months. Since the android was released to serve as bait for Leira, her last disappearance could not have happened very long after Terrihill. One or two years is the most I can give. So, maybe Terrihill happened in 2085.
It also appears to be the case that sentient ārobotsā were not known of by the mainstream so far. But that doesnāt make a lot of sense, unless, known AIs had not passed simple Turing tests yet. That is, except for those wrought to life by @Haze_with_a_Zās experiments, which would have happened within the last few decades. That would be part of the reason why the experiments were so unethical; I like this line of thought.
Of Arbitrary Canon
As I mentioned in a different thread, Problem 3 presents the idea of aāvery specificāisland. There are details contained in the puzzle itself and its solution. Beyond that, Iād like to claim the following as part of the same lore:
- Problem 4: A folk tale of the island.
- Problem 6: Straightforward
- Does someone have any idea for Problem 8? It would require to determine who is āsheā, who is āthe catā and who is āthe mouseā (beyond the puzzle solution).
- Problem 10: Albert, Bernard, Cheryl and Diana attend some kind of private school for gifted students within the island.
- Problem 11: Maybe a competing civilization of the āChi Virginiansā?
- Problem 12: Same as problem 10.
- Problem 13: Same as problem 6.
- Problem 14: This was a ReBoot-style musing. Maybe a fiction within a fiction?
- Problem 15:
spoiler
nothing has been said so far of Venusian colonies, but I believe there most definitely should be. - Problem 16: In the woods near the grounds OGS (more on this later).
- Problem 18: I choose to believe that @Vsotvep was actually playing with matches and coins.
- Problem 19: I donāt know, this happened within the grounds of OGS?
- Problem 20: Someone actually surveying the land
- Problem 21: The poor fella barely managed to finish his graffiti before the events here. Space agencies have planned an archƦological exploration of this mysterious discovery (even āChi Virginiansā panicked before discovering the truth).
- Problem 23: This one is hard. An evil logician makes no sense. Maybe this could have happened at a University in this island, similar to this experiment.
- Problem 24: Cosplayers on this island are weird.
- Problem 25: All yours, @yebellz.
- Unpublished problem 26: local bee species has interesting building patters.
- The Egg Hunt: Some little story there that I donāt want to spoil. Since thereās little chance of being messed up with, Iāll leave it at that. Definitely canon.
For future submissions, bear in mind that your words can have āworld changingā consequences 
Of Weiqi Island
Someone suggested this name long ago. I guess it wouldnāt hurt to call it that.
I think it would better be in the middle of some Ocean, thought this presents some problems in itself. Iāve been thinking how to make it work. Maybe Lemuria actually existed on this alternate universe, and this is one of its remains. I know I know, it messes with plate tectonics and utterly changes ocean currents; we need to make PangƦa a bit bigger and somehow handwave that the fishing industries would be forever changed. But, on the other hand, the south Indian Ocean is a very forgotten space of empty waters. Also, Sydney-Johannesburg would have a very convenient layover.
So, about the island: it was colonized by the Portuguese, and the British, and Spaniards, and the Dutch, and the French andā¦ you know, everyone under the sun. Independence in the 1820ās (from Spain, during the Napoleonic Wars). Invaded by the German Empire in the late 1800s and ceded to Japan as a League of Nations mandate after WW1. Liberated in 1943. Founding member of the United Nations. OECD member since 2000. Not generally considered a developed nation.
So, youād expect a multicultural place, with some level of ethnic tensions but, you know, still kicking.
For those more data inclined, here are some specs:
Republic of Weiqi (exonym: Weichia)
Flag: ? (should probably contain at least black and white)
Anthemn: ?
Motto: ?
National animal: Weiqi island stray cat.
Capital: Ponnuki City
Largest city: Ponnuki Metro Area
Highest peak: Mount Tengen (about 3500 m above sea level)
National language: None (English unofficial, several other recognized languages)
Religion: various
Denonym: ?
Government: Semi-presidential federal republic
President: Ms. Tenuki (coalition candidate) since 2019 (for 4 years, reelectable once).
Prime Minister: ?
Legislature: Parliament
Upper house: House of Dans
Lower house: Chamber of Kyus
Area: about 100,000 km2 (about the size of South Korea)
Population: about 8 million. (80/km2)
GDP (nominal): 96 billion USD
Per capita: 12,000 USD
GDP (PPP): 200 billion USD
Per capita: 25,000 USD
Gini: around 45 (medium or high, similar to Chile)
HDI: around 850 (very high, similar to Portugal)
Currency: Weiqi Stone (WS)
(exchange rate: $1 = ā 881.14, ā¬1 = ā 993.01 as of 2020-06-24)
Time zone: UTC+6 (No DST)
Time format: yyyy-mm-dd
Drives on the: right
About OGS: I always thought it would be fun to think of servers as āreal placesā. I was thinking, I donāt know, some kind of Institute, or a College within the island. It does not have to be a Go academy, you know (and Iād rather it wouldnāt be). Presumably, other servers would also be located within the same island somewhere. I was thinking of a large multi-story building, with a Japanese-style garden in front, in the outskirts of the city near a tropical rainforest.
As for the rest, Iāll try to keep updating my character. It is very likely he might start remembering his fated conversation with Gunther Morgan, now that heās gotten drunk again. Letās see what unfolds.
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Yes, I was definitely envisioning the surfersā reunion and prior summer travels as having taken place before the pandemic. I was thinking the rest of their lives and perhaps their childrenās and grandchildrenās lives could be distantly related to our current characters somehow.
There seems to be some confusion in the game about who Samraku was referring to when they said āyouā
I assumed it was aimed at Assai, but KAOS seems to have interpreted it targeting them.
This has happened two years ago, and therefore in this game I consider myself two.
Sorry I accidentally liked a post so I deleted it right after
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Ohhhh! Sudden reversal out of nowhere!
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