Good game, snatchers! I still can’t believe Roy was the oracle…
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Leira was a good oracle too though. You don’t have to believe.
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Well, I have to come in Roy’s @syoon defense and say that it was not all his fault.
We didn’t kill on the first night because we couldn’t agree, and that was a mistake. Roy made contradictory arguments, and that was a mistake.
However both Butch @Vsotvep and Bellz @yebellz piled up on him. I’m not claiming that I would have done any different, but that is a mistake as well. At some point, you were only seeing what you wanted to see, I doubt he could have made a case for himself after that. Not trying to pick up a fight, but I think you both saw a path to victory and it was too tempting; that is also wishful thinking.
I actually am impressed by Kayo @KAOSkonfused for not falling to bs even after everyone else had. I’m sorry I had to put you down with yet another logicallistic statement.
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I didn’t believe @Leira at first. I was already suspicious of @yebellz, who hadn’t been like he was in previous games (that is: logically loud and sound), and there was Leira immediately claiming he was innocent. Moreover, Roy was pretty believable on the second day, and you (@Haze_with_a_Z) were a bit suspicious, especially giving away you were the Lover and thereby jeopardising both the witch (unknowingly), but most probably another innocent.
But he wanted to inspect you (@Leira), who he could be sure of to be a snatcher. And he suddenly claimed to have figured out the third snatcher, more or less implying it was me, while he earlier had claimed to have investigated me already. What else am I going to believe?
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Btw, is there a good reason it hurts the hunters if the snatchers know the inspection target if one person is already clear?
Cause like I still don’t understand that part.
Yes, the snatchers then have more information (snatchers should absolutely have as few bits of information as possible), and could decide to make the oracle “waste” a turn by killing their target.
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Yeah man, but people are not logical machines. You can’t expect everyone to conform to one type of behavior.
My point is simply that, it’s just a game, let’s give each other a break.
I also think these are interesting experiments to learn something from.
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Kayo was the last straw of hope. I bet that if @papavero had claimed to be the protector, that some gears would have started to turn (pun intended).
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I take some small consolation by the fact that I didn’t vote to kill syoon, after all. Ha.
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I absolutely wanted that to happen. It was a little sad that there was no opposition after some point. If they had killed me instead, that would have become a huge fight.
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After going through the main thread, I’m dangerously low on likes. Silent nods of approval are on today’s menu, I guess.
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Same here, just imagine I like y’all.
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I’ll be the first one to admit that I got a lucky break. However it is also true that our moves were forced, those were the only moves.
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To be fair, Roy’s play did not make any sense from the perspective of being the real oracle.
He claimed to have investigated and cleared Butch, but then accused him of being a snatcher. He suggested some sort of plan to find the snatchers, but it didn’t make any sense. He suggested to investigate the counter-claim by James, which also did not make sense. He jumped on accusing me, without anything more than a hunch and misunderstanding that I was supporting James instead of just translating.
However, we could also say that the play wasn’t really logical from the perspective of being a snatcher either, since he clearly threw suspicion upon himself.
It’s too difficult to tell between an evil vs innocent playing illogically like that, and ultimately, if the oracle is not playing logically, we’re doomed anyways.
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My question for the hunters is: Would it have made any difference if @papavero had revealed his role of Protector immediately after being accused on day 4 or were you all pretty much set in believing @Leira?
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I know. I honestly thought I was dead d2, but for some reason, it was decided to not vote anyone out. And then Leira came to my rescue d3 which also ended up swinging the momentum
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I was pretty much sold on James on that point.
But it would depend on the argument, and I believed syoon enough early on.
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Honestly, I thought that was a ploy by you at the end and began to suspect you a bit.
Suppose the evils want to kill a confirmed innocent but are also hunting for the protector. To kill a confirmed innocent, they are limited to a certain pool of players, however, suppose they privately think that another player (call her Alice) is more likely to be the protector. If the oracle was to publicly declare that they intends to investigate Alice tonight, then that’s just a gift to the evils, who can then be certain of both not letting the confirmed innocent pool grow, and target their best guess of the protector.
In general, the evils would often want to target someone in the pool of confirmed innocents. Letting them know the identity of the next person to be added to that list just gives them another option to choose among.
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I probably would have still killed him. At that point, we had pretty much committed to believing @Leira.
I can understand why @papavero did not come forward with their role too. This could be to leave doubt in the minds of the snatchers that the protector may be still out there, which might have led them to kill another confirmed innocent before taking a shot at James. (All of this analysis is under the mistaken assumption of James being the legit oracle).
In the hypothetical world where James was the real oracle, targeting him and failing due to the protector saving him would have immediately lost them the game. So, it would been still possible that the snatchers may have attempted to kill another innocent to hunt for a protector (that they did not know was already dead) instead of taking a shot at James immediately.
Extending this hypothetical scenario, if Papa had indeed been a snatcher, then it would also make sense for them to try a last ditch effort of claiming to be the protector. Even if the real protector was still alive, either they would have to come forward (revealing themselves to the last snatcher), or they stay hidden, giving some credibility and potential hope to Papa’s ploy working.
I was firmly committed to believing James, so I possibly would have interpreted a protector reveal by Papa as a snatcher ploy and offered the above reasoning for still killing Papa.
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I feel like we often don’t get suspicious of people with MED’s.
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