I don’t know if I can handle a 3rd contender, tbh.
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Note that @Leira and @syoon both claimed that @Vsotvep is innocent.
The only way for @Vsotvep to be a snatcher is if both @Leira and @syoon are false oracles (and hence snatchers as well). This would be an incredibly risky (and highly unlikely, in my opinion) play, since in this case, the real oracle should definitely come forward to try to expose this crazy ploy.
Everyone else, except for @李建澔2, has indicated via my poll above and/or said out loud that they are not the oracle after the big revelations of @syoon and @Leira.
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Yeah, I’m strongly leaning Roy=snatcher, but highly unlikely doesn’t mean we don’t have to keep it in mind. Stranger things have happened.
Thought: it wouldn’t make sense for someone to claim oracle to sacrifice themselves, right? (I’m not saying who of the two, Roy is a snatcher 90% and I allow a Roy and James are snatchers for “let’s be thorough”). Probably not, but my analytical skills are glitchy today.
Strategically, if James is also a snatcher, it made little sense to reveal, since Roy was pretty believable until that point. It is also very risky, as the real oracle could reveal themselves, and we could decide to kill all oracles at that point to eliminate two snatchers with certainty.
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Prof. Ye Bellz -> probable oracle says INNOCENT
Marlon -> I say INNOCENT, let James investigate me tonight (since we all more or less agree he’s the real deal) and be done with it
Kayo S. -> UNKNOWN
Hazel Axeny -> probably INNOCENT, since accused of probable snatcher
James -> ORACLE, until further notice
Butch -> probably INNOCENT, 2 oracle counts
V. Solis, PhD -> UNKNOWN
Maze Lander -> WITCH, until further notice
Papa Roheas -> UNKNOWN
Vagabond -> UNKNOWN
Roy -> claimed oracle, probable SNATCHER
(sorry for the recap, I’m trying to make sense of stuff)
D3 Roy dies. 8-2
N3 Marlon is investigated, protector protects James, hopefully protector doesn’t die by accident. Witch probably dies, though. Maybe we should declare a person for witch to poison the same night? I guess that will probably be me since everyone suspects me and then James is free to investigate one of the unknowns. 5 (forgot Maze’s lover)-2 (I would appreciate a warm embrace to send me to the underworld, if any lady feels charitable, wink)
D4 If James gets a hit, that person dies. Otherwise, it’s a race to keep James as long as possible. 5-2, 5-1 if we get lucky.
N4 Same as above, 4-2 at worst. It’s up to how things unfold from here on.
EDIT: Oh damn I forgot the lovers again. I corrected the numbers above.
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Again, nobody has to stick to these, but I was procrastinating thinking about it anyway, so I might as well write it up for future reference. And maybe somebody thinks it’s useful, 'coz abstract concepts are really hard to put into pictures. At least we’re prepared if the Emoji-curse ever hits me.
Summary
(Supplements to Dr. Solis’s handy guide to Emojiglyphics.
- Pronouns for first and second person: I,
; we 
; you (sg.) 
you (pl.) 
- Indefinite pronoun prefixes: any-
; every- 
; all 
- Some verbs: say
think 
know 
(because it looks like an eye, and “to see is to know”) - Marker of possession and similar relations, equivalent to 的, の and -'s:
- Marker for direction towards or preposition “to” (who’d have guessed!) Accusative marker for those who are daring?
- with
; together 
; without 
- Word divider, if necessary because the expression takes up several jis that are not clearly divided by verbal/nominal markers, and-/or-signs or similar:
- I wonder if a passive marker makes sense.
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But what I really wonder, is: does the killing of a person by the soulsnatchers witch occure before or after the witch uses her poison soulsnatchers kill somebody? I think afterwards, no? Second half of the night? So if the witch is killed, the poison can not be put to use? And I believe I remember from other times when I played this, that the lover’s suicid occures immediately before sunrise, so to speak, after all other occurences of the night are passed.
I think it is worthy to remember the course of actions that happen during the night when we devise strategies for whom to protect and whom to poison.
I believe we can still force a win after all.
[Edit: I made an error, but it was fixable if the witch uses her poison]
In the worst-case scenario we’ll lose 2 innocents each night from now on, one by us voting a suspect out, one by the snatchers. We can assume that James will only discover innocents in a worst-case scenario as well. We can also assume that the witch dies tonight (and is the lover of another innocent). Finally we can assume that in a worst-case scenario the protector dies tonight and the oracle dies tomorrow night.
Let’s say the witch does not use her poison.
-
D3: 8-2 (5 suspects)
This is the end of today. Roy is killed by vote. -
N3: 6-2 (4 suspects, because James confirms one innocent)
This is the start of tomorrow, the lovers are killed -
D4: 5-2 (3 suspects)
This is the end of tomorrow, we vote out one suspect
If James dies on N4
-
N4: 4-2 (3 suspects)
This is the start of day 5, one innocent non-suspect is killed by the snatchers -
D5: 3-2 (2 suspects)
This is the end of day 5, we vote out one suspect. -
N5: 2-2 (2 suspects)
This is the start of Day 6, one innocent non-suspect is killed by the snatchers.
Two suspects are left, and two snatchers are left: if no snatchers had been killed yet, we know both of the snatchers now. But it is too late, since the snatchers can tie the vote, and kill at night.
We lose in this scenario.
-
N4: 4-2 (2 suspects, James confirms another innocent)
If we had not yet killed any snatchers, then we know the two snatchers now -
D5: 4-1 (1 suspect)
-
N5: 3-1 (1 suspect)
-
D6: 3-0 (we win)
The chance is high that James survives N4, but we shouldn’t risk it.
A better option:
Let’s say the witch does use her poison, but kills an innocent.
-
D3: 8-2 (5 suspects)
This is the end of today. Roy is killed by vote. -
N3: 5-2 (3 suspects, because James confirms one innocent, the witch kills another)
This is the start of tomorrow, the lovers are killed. -
D4: 4-2 (2 suspects)
This is the end of tomorrow, we vote out one suspect. We now know both snatchers if none had been killed yet. -
N4: 3-2 (2 suspects)
This is the start of day 5, one innocent non-suspect is killed by the snatchers -
D5: 3-1 (1 suspect)
This is the end of day 5, we vote out one snatcher. -
N5: 2-1 (1 suspect)
This is the start of Day 6, one innocent non-suspect is killed by the snatchers. -
D6: 2-0
We kill the other snatcher at the end of Day 6, we win.
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I asked this to @RubyMineshaft, the witch can use her poison on the same night she is killed, because she can also use her revival potion on the same night she is killed (to revive herself).
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makes sense.
The witch is presented with their choices in the second half of the night, but the turn order here doesn’t matter since the witch could conceivably use the potion at any point in the night before being killed.
To balance this, however, they will no longer be informed of who has died after the life potion has been spent. (I think this makes sense?)
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Thus, it is important that the witch kills an innocent suspect different from the one James will investigate. Please tell us who you’re going to kill @kingkaio.
If this succeeds, which it should, we will definitely win, although it will cost us 9 lives.
My offer still stands
Any soulsnatchers who does not wish to die can give up their identity, and we will spare them!
I really hope I didn’t make any mistakes again… @Leira? @yebellz? Could you check my reasoning?
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I think the witch must use the poison tonight, but we need to decide who dies.
- Marlon
- Kayo
- V. Solis
- Papa Roheas
- Vagabond
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Before y’all go about the order, I copied the order from my post above, which I copied from OP.
I’ll check over this later tonight. We still have 24 hours before the deadline. There’s a lot to work through. Note that the snatchers do not necessarily have to target the lovers tonight, but I’m not sure if that makes a difference.
I’m voting to poison Vagabond, since they seem to be the least interested in actually participating. Rather than investigating the silent ones, I think we should just kill them as part of eliminating suspects.
It’s damaging when the silent ones turn out to be innocent, because then you just have a confirmed innocent that isn’t participating much, which just drags down the team effort.
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I think a distant relative of yours once made the same mistake. Annoying doesn’t mean guilty and I’d rather James investigate an actual suspect and not lose any time on me, since everyone suspects me (y’all dim, but anyway). If you’re that strong about Vagabond, let James investigate him and kill him tomorrow.
Oh, I wonder, can the witch use the poison on her lover? @RubyMineshaft?
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The poison can be used on any player including the witch themself and lover (if applicable).
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So, we can have one less dead person, but on the other hand maybe the snatchers will kill someone else and not the witch, taking 3 people tonight again. Well, that’s a conundrum, guys.
I guess the translation is basically
“math. plz help”