Werewolf Go Game 1

Let’s explore

If Vsotvep :blueberries: plays L10

The possible conclusions are

  • a capture confirms Gia :flamingo: and Jon Ko :tomato: are on team Black. Depending on what one believes about richyfourtytwo :cactus: and NeilAgg :baby_chick:, one could increase one’s belief that either of them is the last remaining member of team White.
  • a survival confirms that richyfourtytwo :cactus: and NeilAgg :baby_chick: are on team Black. Depending on what one believes about Gia :flamingo: and Jon Ko :tomato:, one could incease one’s belief that either of them is the last remaining member of team White.

Regardless of what I play, two members of team Black are confirmed, and the last remaining member of team White becomes a 50 / 50 probability between two players (ignoring speculation, suspicion and so on).

Under my personal assumption that both NeilAgg :baby_chick: and Jon Ko :tomato: are rebel-believers, that means that a confirmed player of team Black and an unconfirmed player of team White will have their move before MystWalker :droplet: & yebellz :orangutan: can make theirs. In other words, Black can reinforce the bottom left with certainty, or expand on the right with certainty.

If richyfourtytwo :cactus: plays L10

Another scenario is richyfourtytwo :cactus: agreeing to play L10, where I would play a move that he agrees with, and that refusing to uphold his end of the deal would be a confirmation of him not being a settler-believer. The possible conclusions are:

  • a capture confirms that Gia :flamingo: and Jon Ko :tomato: and NeilAgg :baby_chick: on team Black and richyfourtytwo :cactus: is confirmed as team White.
  • a survival confirms that richyfourtytwo :cactus: belongs to team Black, and leaves the last member of team White uncertain among Jon Ko :tomato:, Gia :flamingo: and NeilAgg :baby_chick:.

Here the outcomes are unbalanced: we get complete information in case of a capture, and little information in case of a non-capture.

Under my personal assumption that both NeilAgg :baby_chick: and Jon Ko :tomato: are rebel-believers, we learn the unconfirmed last member of team White, but it’s a toss-up on whether a confirmed member of team Black or an unconfirmed member of team White has their move before MystWalker :droplet: & yebellz :orangutan: can make theirs. However, in this case I may be able to arrange a move with richyfourtytwo :cactus: that benefits White slightly more than me playing L10 would.

The most dangerous part of this, is that if richyfourtytwo :cactus: is rebel-believer or otherwise does not feel like cooperating, I may be manipulated into making a wasteful move in return for no information at all. We’ve seen NeilAgg :baby_chick: doing this by promising to play L10 before Jon Ko :tomato: moved, and then play something different afterwards (although Jon Ko :tomato: seems to not mind that)

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Maybe an extension on the right side, or a coordinated invasion of yellow’s corner.

I think we’re looking at a situation like this
https://vsotvep.github.io/MulticolorGo.html?st=bdbccbcdbcebchaddbdjadkaekbfcaggagjbhcfjcfjdajjbkcgkeakkblcaldg&bs=13

I hope that both @Gia and @richyfourtytwo are on board with figuring out who of them is the amnesiac and who is the real settler.

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Sadly, assuming this is the position, it does look like the rebels have a significant head start, especially if Gia turns out to be the last settler.

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Don’t do this. Say “if” or it might be confused for your actual play.

We do not have a specific rules for submitting moves.

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I will not play L10. Here’s why: I don’t don’t know what team I’m on, it’s a coin toss. But I think it is likely that I (and everyone) will find out soon, regardless of where I play. So I will play a move that makes sense regardless of which team I’m on.

I wish to be a real settler of course, if only because switching loyalties doesn’t come easy to me and I don’t want to be rebellious. But I know there was some inbreeding in my family, so I have to deal with that 50% chance of an inherited amnesia.

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Sorry, good point indeed. We should probably establish some specific rules, now that you mention it…

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Ok, I will have to go for more information if you won’t with certainty.

I will play L10.

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@martin3141, is my stone captured or does it survive?

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I have acquired true sight, and your settlement is going to die

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So, then you also predict that yebellz belongs to team White, I presume?

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Nope. It’s very funny. In any case, @yebellz will play accordingly, even if he doesn’t believe it.

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I see. I’m not sure if I can make sense of that, but I guess you’re going to claim that you’re the spy, that @yebellz :tangerine: is a rebel, and that I (or one of the other members of team White) am the amnesiac, in an effort to convince @richyfourtytwo :cactus: that he belongs to team Black.

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L10 does not get captured.

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Now you’re grasping for straws, of course I am not the spy.

But let’s wait for the result.

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Wow, really not?

That’s… way better than I expected actually.

Well, seems your clairvoyance fails…

I officially have no idea what you’re trying to accomplish, but as far as I’m concerned, I welcome @Gia :flamingo: to team White, then.

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For convenience

https://vsotvep.github.io/MulticolorGo.html?st=bdbccbcdbcebchaddbdjadkaekbfcaggagjbhcajcajdajjbkcbkdbkeakkblcaldb&bs=13

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I believe our top priority is cutting team Black into two groups. We have 5 moves per round, versus 4 moves for the Black team. Moreover, with MystWalker :droplet: → Gia :flamingo: → yebellz :tangerine: we have a triple move as well, so we can capture any groups that have as much as three playable liberties.

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I’m still not entirely sure what’s going on. But we know for sure that @Gia and @Jon_Ko cannot be on the same team, so one of them is my friend. Either way, M9 looks like a move nicely reinforcing one or the other.

Richard the 42nd plays M9.

https://vsotvep.github.io/MulticolorGo.html?st=bdhccecdbcehchdddedjddkdekifccggagjihcfjcfjdcjjbkcgkdekeckkblcaldg&bs=13

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Some ideas, under my assumption that Gia and yebellz are team White / settlers:

We could attempt to use our next triple move to capture the tengen stone. or try to capture the L9 & M9 stones; both have only four liberties. We could also capture M11, making Gia’s allegiance completely certain, and try to create a living group in the corner (we’d only have one chance, since the group currently has two liberties, and can be captured by Jon Ko & NeilAgg).

With yebellz helping in capturing something, we’d get absolute certainty about the team of the spy as well.

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