Werewolf Go Game 1

I don’t think there is much convincing to be done about this to be honest.

And by the way: By now I’m pretty sure you are really the spy. Why would the other person being the real spy stay silent for so long and let us other honest settlers in the dark? I can’t find a good reason for that, so the simple explanation is: There is no other spy.

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Oh man, this is such a hassle. Please, imagine the quotes and the translator.

Edit: sorry, I don’t mean to sound rude. This phrase was directed only at myself.


I understand your objection, but there are two problems with it. I objected to voting when there were still only 4 people polled. 5 would have been enough to hide a spy.

However, even though almost everyone voted (I still don’t, because I retain my objection) I did not rely on both of us being on their list, that would be impossible, not just improbable. In all likelihood, all rebels voted, since it was advantageous for them. They know either of three scenarios:

  1. The simple one. You are the spy. I never said you weren’t, I just don’t find it immediately obvious.

  2. You are a rebel and you make a gambit. If another person refutes, they are likely telling the truth. Rebels gain information at the cost of revealing one of them.

  3. You make the same gambit, but the spy does not bite. This is, from the other rebel’s perspective, indistinguishable from scenario 1. There is incentive for the spy to do this, either by refusing to vote or by lying, because it might confuse the rebels into thinking one of theirs is a spy.

This is a rock paper scissors.


Edit: Unless, of course, neither I nor Mystwalker are on their list, in which case they just know everything (I guess, scenario 3 is still possible).

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Another thought: The rebels know a lot more than the settlers. So the settlers have a lot more to win by communicating than the rebels do. Now look at this:
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By the way, I forgot scenario 4. @richyfourtytwo is a rebel and @yebellz bit.

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My lack of posting is that I have no idea what I’m doing :grin:

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A silent hermit with such powerful capacity to see the “truth” could have seen it prior to making himself so suspicious. Obvious objections to the course of actions as suggested by the viscount and yours truly, should have been made without making the first bid.

I order my mercenaries to enclose the camp of the proselytisers at C11. These men have no qualms fighting against faith. Like me, they believe in the only true source of happiness in this world: Money.

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Next is @richyfourtytwo.


I’d like to put up for a vote who we want to play L10, assuming Gia will indeed play M10:

  • richyfourtytwo
  • Barbanaira
  • NeilAgg
  • Vsotvep
  • yebellz
  • Leira
  • MystWalker

0 voters

I personally think speed can be of essence, and do not believe Leira or yebellz require testing. As for interpreting the results, there are the following possibilities:

  • A) The throw-in is removed
    1. Gia & Jon Ko are settlers, the thrower is a rebel.
    2. Gia & Jon Ko are settlers, the thrower is the amnesiac.
    3. Gia & Jon Ko are rebels, the thrower is a settler.
  • B) The throw-in stays

In case A1 and A2, Gia and Jon Ko learn with certainty that they are settlers. For the amnesiac, cases A2 and A3 are indistinguishable.

I’m lying, in all cases of A, nobody learns anything with certainty either. This amnesiac makes things seriously tricky…

In case B, nobody receives certainty about anyone’s alignment that they didn’t know already beforehand.

I think it’s most valuable if we can coax a rebel or the amnesiac to play L10.

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I’ll play M10.

I wonder if it’s to our advantage for @richyfourtytwo to play B10, and @yebellz plays J11, so if @MystWalker doesn’t play K12 or L10, it’s a sign of guilt.

(if this was the thing discussed above, I’m sorry but I’m a royal, I have advisors for the lengthy things)

ETA why forum why do you cut things

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I believe richyfourtytwo playing B10 only will lessen the amount of information that we can possibly gain. If Leira gets captured, we gain the most amount of information, and any extra players attaching will decrease the chance of Leira being captured.

In the more likely scenario that Leira survives the attempt at capture, we learn something about either MystWalker or myself, but if richyfourtytwo would also play there, we would instead have to split the probable rebel between three people.

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(OOT we really need an easier way to have names and colors, I guess y’all are used with the variants because I scroll all the time)

My thinking was to use as many capturing opportunities as possible asap, but I can see your reasoning.

I think @yebellz should play L10, if he’s indeed the spy then at least he clears one of us and we can coordinate with more certainty next round.

That is, if @MystWalker plays B10 and we get something useful from there.

@richyfourtytwo could L12 me, so with @yebellz in L10 we can test next round very quickly with someone in M11 if I’ll disappear.

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Current visible board position:

visible_colours Round_14

Next to play: @richyfourtytwo (and after that it’ll be @Gia s turn)

Would it help if I add the current position to the first post from time to time?

Edit:

^^ I took this as a move submission, but it is not @Gia s turn yet.

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Upon arrival of surrounding forces, the proselytizer presented Vsotvep with a piece of satirical tapestry.

The tapestry

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I was thinking of H11 too, or maybe J12, but that’s more passive.

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I think it would, unless someone else has a more intuitive idea that I missed.

(sorry if I sounded like complaining, I’m mostly frustrated with myself for not being able to retain even the simplest board position)

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I added the current position to the first post. Also sorry for the confusion about the current position: It is @richyfourtytwo to play, and after that @Gia

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It’s late for me now and I can’t think clearly. I will probably play H11 tomorrow morning, unless there are objections from any of the people I trust to be honest settlers.

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Thank you, Hermit Leira, and thanks to your translator Mr. Ümlaut, for taking your time to bring light on this matter. Please enjoy your tea. You do make some good points, but there are some things I don’t understand. I don’t know what to make out of this, I simply fail to understand:

And then there is this matter:

Yes, I expected the rebels to deviate from the plan and thus revealing themselves as rebels. Now it was you who deviated from the plan early on which raises suspicions that you are not acting in good faith. If you had wanted to cooperate, but follow a different plan, you could’ve sent a messenger before just acting against it, as was said before.

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I think the idea of testing with richyfourtytwo and Gia is useful as well, but I wouldn’t use yebellz as the tool to do it. For any settler throwing in at L10, I expect the settler to live, since I deem the chance of both Gia and Jon Ko being rebels (and aware of it) rather small, especially after MystWalker plays B10 and Leira isn’t captured, and especially considering that Gia wouldn’t come with this suggestion if both Gia and Jon Ko are rebels.

Surrounding Gia afterwards does not give much information either, since Gia might know that richyfourtytwo is a rebel / amnesiac and thus assure that nobody is captured.


These two-people tests can be done more efficiently in the corner. We can have three different people play three corner positions (e.g. A1, B1 and A2). If the A1 stone survives, it shares alignment with one of the two outside stones.

Subsequently, yebellz or any other confirmed settler could surround those three corner stones (C1, B2, A3) and any stone that is removed in the process belongs to a rebel.

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OK, I don’t see the last few posts as an objection to me settling on H11. So I’ll do as announced.

My move: H11

Position:

I’m really looking forward to @MystWalker 's move. If they play B10 we learn something. If they don’t, we learn something too.
https://vsotvep.github.io/MulticolorGo.html?st=ccecdacehchdddedjdggagjihcfjcfjdcjjbkcgkeckkb&bs=13

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I’ll M10.

Next is @MystWalker

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Current position:

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