This is Superman we’re talking about. I don’t think he needs to chew at all.
Assuming he can arrange the pancakes how he wants before-hand, I think he should line the pancakes up in a tube and fly into them with his mouth open wide. If he flies fast enough, his stomach lining will provide the force to compact the pancake into the almost-black-hole pancake ball.
If he takes this approach, I think we end up at:
(60s * c) / pancake thickness
@benjito
I like it!!
So for arguments sake let’s say a pancake is 1cm thick
We take the metres travelled in a minute 18.000.000.000 X 100 (100cm/m)
1.800.000.000.000
1.8 trillion pancakes if lined up. Well within the the limits of creating a black hole as outline by @tonybe
Beautiful in its simplicity
I don’t doubt that Superman could consume pancakes at ridiculous speed. My estimate (80–100) has more to do with how much volume his Kryptonian GI tract could hold for a minute.
What pancakes are we talking about anyway? Regular? Silver dollar?
The working theory as outlined by tonybe is that Superman’s GI track can effectively compress the pancakes into a black hole in his stomach. So we are within limits.
I’m not saying other answers are out of line. I’m just not willing to break physics too rudely for my answer.
No disrespect, but 80-100 seems like something batman could manage
None taken. But batman is human, so chew-swallow cycles still matter. Even with, say, one bite per pancake, every 3 to 5 seconds, Batman would manage just 12 to 20 full-size pancakes in a minute.
That sounds like a Val Kilmer batman to me.. Adam West batman would almost certainly have something in his belt to facilitate the task and double those figures
But Batman with Prep Time?
What would happen if Magnus Carlsen seriously studied go for a year?
Superman would start eating so many pancakes that a black hole forms in his stomach.
That’s my takeaway from this thread, and you cant take it away from me.
Answer the original threads question. with his high tier elite pattern, recognition and memory it is safe to say that with a year of serious study Magnus carlsen would get very good
Unless he finds cooking more interesting and opens a restaurant.
While people are discussing the abilities of Superman and Batman, nobody even considered Chuck Norris.
My favorite thing about this topic so far is that
Given that we are comparing two fictional possibilities which are entirely speculative - where the only limits seem to be the laws of physics and the boundaries of our collective imagination -
with Superman & pancakes we have been able to develop practical methodologies and come up with actual numbers with which to back up our estimates
but with Carlsen and Go, the very language we’re using to discuss the topic seems very subjective and speculative - case in point (not sure if this was tongue in cheek or not)
but, but, but, I mean - how “good” is “very good”. 5 kyu? 3 kyu? 1d dan? I mean, I’m an 8 kyu player - to me a 3 kyu player IS very good. What constitutes “serious study”? An hour per week? Eight hours per day?
So yes, on one hand, I think this illustrates the point nicely that when you entertain thoughts of speculative possibility, the results may be entertaining but they are just that - pure speculation created for entertainment.
On the other hand, if we as a forum are to run with this, I would encourage those who truly believe that Carlsen could master the game of Go more quickly than us regular humans, to come up with some fairly standard metrics of “how quickly an average human learns Go” which would then allow them to more correctly estimate the degree by which Carlsen’s SUPERHUMAN GENIUS would allow him to exceed that metric based on some actual figures (i.e. how quickly he reached a particular ELO level versus his peers, etc)
I think this part is easy: what is his kyu level (under a rating system of your choosing) after one year
The hard part is that we have very little data on what makes someone improve quickly. And Carlsen is already an outlier in chess, so even data on chess → go players may not be very helpful except as a lower bound.
Your rigorous approach is admirable. However, in your methodology Superman is still eating un-compressed pancakes. Given that the starting density of pancakes is ridiculously low, (average 40 grams / 30cm^3 = 1.3 g/cm^3), even flying into a stack of pancakes at near-light speeds is just too slow.
As such, if Superman really wanted to maximize pancakes per minute, the trick would be to prepare ahead of time and compact these stacks of pancakes as far as they could possibly go. Here, the limits are the strong and weak nuclear forces that cause protons and neutrons to attract and repel each other.
My knowledge of physics is not deep enough to discuss the relative densities required for nuclear fusion because they are different for each element, but (based on a hasty Google search like the rest of my math) my guess is that one could easily compress pancakes to 100,000x or 200,000x densities and still be confident that they wouldn’t explode from the released energy of their nuclei fusing together.
It’s quite possible that the resulting compacted stacks would be microscopic, so lining up a stack of 4 million microscopic compacted pancake stacks, could give you much greater total pancake numbers.
I ll put him for the fillings.
Science and “Planck time” is all nice and dandy, but you forgot the most basic issue in the problem, that Superman is not a total plank. Therefore he would eat less than 10 pancakes and let the others be consumed by the people that need the nurishment, instead of waste good food in a competition that wouldn’t mean anything to him.
Chuck Norris is a marvel, so he is not in DC, by definition.
Ok, let’s give this a try
There’s a table on this page of Sensei library compare chess and go ranks
Now, there are cases of people going from newbie to 2000 elo in chess in a year. LOL streamer Tyler1 made is to 1900 I believe in less than a year by grinding online games up to 8 hours a day. Giving Magnus pattern recognition and incredible memory. ( The guy can literally recall thousands of master level games. People have even tested him with only white an black stones and he’s able to guess the match) It’s safe to assume he has the talent to make it to say minimum GO rank equivalent of 2200+. So that would be 4D+
Let’s hear your take people
Coincidentally I created that table on senseis many years ago. I still stand by it, and given that nobody altered it since then, I assume many agree that it’s a reasonable comparison.
The quickest progression (in the West) I have heard about during my 37 year go life is Catalin Taranu from Romania: 1 year to 1d EGF, 2 years to 4d EGF, 9 years to 1p (let’s say IM), 12 years to 5p (let’s say GM).
I think it would be tough for Carlsen to beat that initial progression.
