Controversial Go opinions

I mean maybe the EGF could have a low-budget online division

Some things are so hilarious and tragic at the same time. It doesn’t get more Russian than this, I guess, if I’m not mistaken. In Russia, and let us do away with the delusional Euphemism normally put before it, you break arms to avoid accidents in moral judgement.

I seriously think that standard go board sizes should always be a multiple of 6, then plus 1.

So 7x7, 13x13, 19x19, 25x25, 31x31, 37x37. 9x9 completely throws of one of the mathematical balances we got from switching to 19x19, and therefore, 9x9 is just a bad board size. Please use 7x7 instead. Or 1x1 if you have to.

JethOrensin is right that we really ought to apply the adage do not attribute to malice what could be instead explained by incompetence. Even if most of us our sexist or classist or racist or any other ist in some way, most people. There is another adage that I believe is widely popular in Africa, about a tribe where when someone does a bad thing, everyone in the village gathers around that person to tell that person about all the good things they did, to tell them they’re actually not like that, that they’re better than the bad thing they’ve done. While I don’t really believe in forgiveness and redemption, I do believe we should asymptomatically orient ourselves in that direction.

I do believe it is the . The point about.

Iwamoto could have made a laundry list of reasons why there’s no point promoting go in the west since go is not well known enough, oxymoronic isn’t it, it would difficult and there’d be ‘complexities’. He didn’t. How can the people who celebrate him reject his ideals? Are we going to give him the ‘I have a dream’ treatment? The Iwamoto award recognises people who spread go in general but I think it should focus on those who do what Iwamoto did, going into no-personsland in go territory and promoting go in populations that haven’t heard of it or are not involved, be it by gender or geographic location, and going through personal hardships to do it. We’ve lost the Iwamoto spirit and expect some organisation to do stuff for us, and on that Jeth is exactly on point. We’re not talking about doing what’s easy. We choose to make go great again not because it’s easy, but because it’s hard, and we go players don’t shy away from a challenge. How can we convince people to play a game some might think is to hard or mentally complex for .Who knows, you might find the next Einstein or Lionel Messi Ramanujan in a poor run-down school in Africa when all you were doing is going the extra mile to promote go precisely where it’s more difficult. A problem in society is that too many of us do things like buy lottery tickets, expecting and feeling entitled to extraordinary results when we did not take extraordinary actions, whenever it’s something we care about, but if it’s for your boss, suddenly you would work overtime to make your boss rich to get chicken change. That’s the very definition of a slave mentality. Set low ambitions for what you care about but set high ambitions for benefits for those above you. if I took it more seriously to get out of my comfort zone MYSELF, I might have made some progress on this front.

In terms of inclusivity and potential growth, we include all 8 billion of the human family, with no ifs and no buts, and no second placing to physical sports, like the number one sport in the world that doesn’t even have a name we can agree on. At least all of the three names of go are universally recognised as referring to the same game. Make me say soccer. Just try and make me😂


The French virtual go club “stones in the shell” has 96 members. It has many activities: teaching, internal tournament, Discord server, Twitch channel… Its members mostly play online, but some of them also participate in real life tournaments at least once in a while.


Can you explain why?

1 Like

Might be the distance of the star points - on 19x19 and 13x13, there are 6 spaces between each star point, and 3 spaces between star points and the edge. Then add 1 because we’re counting lines, not spaces.

1 Like

Yes, essentially the distance between star points should always be a multiple of three, since it’s the basis of the two-space extension, a sense you’d want beginners to have that’s lost on 9x9. For that reason I’ll teach beginners with 7x7 and 13x13.

That conversation existed on OGF for less than a day I believe. I barely caught it by chance.

Since the topic proved controversial, the thread was either split, delisted or deleted. I do not actually remember what happened to the conversation, but I do not think it is available anymore.


I correct myself, that must have happened to a different thread. I got my wires crossed.

I think I found the thread, so it’s still up I think. I’m not sure if there aren’t any deleted posts though.


Chess is a perfectly fine game with several positive features, and I’ll never understand the animosity some in our community have for our (only slightly inferior) Indian cousin game.


I am honestly enjoying this so much, and I do find it easier to count. About to start my second game doing it this way – don’t know if I’ll keep it, but it’s sure fun for right now!


Glad someone benefitted of my idea ~


there should be single bowl and stones should have two sides




We should also play stones inside the squares and change the capturing rule…


The magnetic stones from wall demonstration boards are sometimes double-sided like that.


I believe the second image shows such a magnetic stone.


You believe or are you sure? Nowhere written as magnetic and pretty small (almost like the normal size at 3cm). But double sized black/white yes.

Edit: according to the pic, seeing how they stay fixed together, i guess you’r right on the magnetic side.
Still i imagine the size to have to be bigger.

How about removing undo as an option for rated games, including especially tournaments?


Actually, I love this idea. STONES. Let’s play stones!

And English terminology in the rules, yes. Yes, I speak Japanese and use their terms for parts of the game sometimes, but really we should use practical terms in our own languages for this universal game for three good reasons: One, to remove the exoticism and temptation to fetishize. I was recently given one of the American board game versions of go called, “Go, an oriental game of strategy”. What does ‘oriental’ have to do with the most abstract game ever, really? I’m not denying the history or context the game comes from, but let’s focus on the game, not its origins. It’s a distraction. Second, because each language has slightly different, but useful terms and there is no good reason to favor one over another one. Again, another distraction. Third, terms and rule sets are most important for beginners struggling to understand the game. We should strive for as much simplicity and clarity as possible for that audience.


I am shure, I used this demoboard and stones. They are about 50% bigger than normal Stones. For me this is not almost like the normal ones but a lot bigger. And it is a pleasure to have this double-sided stones. So much easier to show things.

1 Like

My go set, made by the E. S. Lowe Company in the early ‘60s and given to me on my 12th birthday, says “GO: The Authentic game played in the Far East for centuries.” This was and is the commercial exploitation of the public fascination with “Far Eastern” exoticism, which started in the U.S. at the beginning of the 20th century and is also responsible for the name of the English game (halma) that we now call “Chinese checkers.” That fascination is much less strong today, I think, but obviously is still considered a selling point.