Feature request: atari notification or PTT

I want to revive Atari notification

I think this feature may be useful.

Of course, the opponent should control a checkbox for such notifications.

I think a push to talk feature for players in the game would be better. Look likes it was implemented before in reviews and removed for some reasons.

Now it is gone :frowning:

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OGS has collaboration with discord, so they push people to use voice through discord.
Jk.
But honestly it’s Voice in review?

I want PTT in game chat on OGS to say any opponent something like “Hello” or “Atari”

Isn’t missing the atari part of the game? Unlike chess where you have to warn the opponent for their impending loss of their king, Go stones are all equal, so going around and warning the opponent about it seems a bit odd.

Also chat during the game seems like something that might be impossible to moderate and it will be mostly abused. Just type “hello” instead or “atari” if you so wish, but I am not sure that there is enough reason to spend resources to add site functionality for such options/preferences. You could try making a poll about it :slight_smile:

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Does it require moderation? We have an ignore list for chat message. It should work for voice messages too. Each intervention from staff should have a very good reason.

This is not the right atmosphere.

Not only moderation is required, but it also needs logging and saving the voice chat messages for that reason.

What do you mean? Why is not the right atmosphere to write something positive like “hello”, “gl&hf” or “this is an atari”, if you so wish?

There’s no partnership..?

Absolutely no reason for this.

Mood, emotions, humanity.

Because there are lots of differences between “hello” and “hello”. Do you see them? You can’t. Text is very bandlimited.

I know exactly what you mean about those differences and this small 52 second clip will enhance your point:

… but also beg the question how on earth do you have this point and at the same time see no reason for moderation. :sweat_smile: There is already text chat moderation and there are reports and incidents with just text.
It is exactly the added verbal nuance that provides and added need for moderation and with that in requires added resources and added people, which, in my best of knowledge, are not available.

Sometimes that’s good, sometimes that’s not.
Speech has its own attributes and quirks and that is also sometimes good and sometimes it is not.

If you want my point to have added speech nuance, here it is:

and in both English and my own language. Success, in just 6 seconds! :wink:

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The point is to warn beginners mostly

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I was just kidding
Because they told to use discord the last time I requested voice on ogs :sweat_smile:

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Oh I understand now. I think it’s a good suggestion though. Discord has many resources to put toward maintaining and moderating VoIP. OGS doesn’t.

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There is no moderation here at all. Why should we bother about voice moderation? It is not an issue. You can block an abuser from receiving their messages.

My 2 score cheating reports is still pending for 21 hours. You don’t need a living person to solve the problem. AI can handle this.

You keep claiming this, but I don’t think it reflects well on OGS if some user goes around spewing obscenities over voice chat.

You seem to have a good understanding of technology, but a very limited understanding of engineering resources.

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You can block any user for any reason, that doesn’t mean we should have no moderation at all.

What makes this fall into the category of “no moderation necessary”, while we consider it necessary for abusive chat?

My 2 score cheating reports is still pending for 21 hours. You don’t need a living person to solve the problem. AI can handle this.

Well perhaps but we don’t have one, and I imagine it’s not that trivial since autoscore itself is not fully reliable.

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Such cases are very trivial for me

If AI reach some certainty threshold it can handle such reports. Otherwise report is handled by human.

There is already implemented server decision procedure. It works and it is reliable.

It is not a drug addicts’ alley. It is GO community. How often do you encounter abusers here? Do we really need to spend huge resources for them? The sequence of stones on the board could be an encrypted channel for terrorists. Should we terminate OGS or maybe totally prohibit playing Go?

I think we should focus on decent users when implementing features. We should not care about abusers.

Thanks to… wait for it… the mod team :laughing:

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You’d be surprised…

Obscenities are the most benign scenario… at least in that case some people had a verbal altercation, happens every day in real life while driving around, block them, who cares, right?

However, what about the cases where things go far beyond a few obscenities or when actual crimes can be arranged or committed via the voice chat?

If there are no logs and someone complains or files a lawsuit and you have a “voice service”, but you provide no voice service moderation or, at the very least, a “voice to text chatlog” (which in an of itself would require resources to run, a ToS of its own and some very detailed legal protections) to check those claims or provide the relevant evidence to the law or protect your platform in case of slander, then OGS is fried. Done. Over. Sued to oblivion.

Do you understand the extent of the moderation issue now, @mikhail.trusfus ?

Go google “voice chat ToS” and you might notice that it always goes along with moderation and very often with specifically mentioned recording and log-keeping (and when it is not explicitly mentioned, it is implicitly implied).

If anything of the sort happens here or in the game chat, all that is recorded and can be checked. Similar capabilities should exist for voice-chat as well.

Who is going to code all that?
Where are those things going to be stored?
Who is going to moderate them?
Who is going to pay the laywers to write a robust ToS?
Who is going to be responsible to maintain that system?
…and the monetary cost for all that?

Those are not easy questions to answer and to strut around pretending that they are not even worth considering is, quite frankly, baffling. I could understand the “what’s the worse thing that can happen?” attitude with adding PTT to a game/server back in the day when the technology was new and exciting. But now it is old and tested. We all know what can go wrong and it is a lot of things…

You’d be surprised… They had a recent, very serious, incident in France, if I recall…

I do not often encounter thieves and burglars, but I still lock my car and my door. Did I really need to have a door on my house? :stuck_out_tongue:

What logic is this, really?

You do not “care” about people like that… you do prepare against them, though.

Or how far users can abuse an online system… or the legal system… :sweat_smile:

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You need to consider both when building a website. A small group can cause trouble for a large number of users. For example, see what happened to the Life in 19x19 Forum. Presumably the bad actors were not part of the Go community.

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