Fractional Team Go, Game 1

martin3141 · June 11, 2021, 1:15pm

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Vsotvep · June 11, 2021, 3:00pm

Hmmm. I must admit that I don’t see a way to make two eyes in a conventional way…

Why is reading so hard in this variant

shinuito · June 11, 2021, 3:10pm

**cough**

Looking at the board is hard in this variant.

Vsotvep · June 12, 2021, 2:59am

I’m playing J8, I might see some possibility to get life, but I’m probably wrong about it. I’m expecting Martin to block us with H9, but then yebellz can make a red dumpling with F9, is what I’m thinking.

martin3141 · June 14, 2021, 4:16pm

Sorry for the delay, I was occupied by the OGS team league over the weekend, among other things.

I am not sure what to play @Here_We_Go. On one hand we can prevent the white group from making two eyes by playing H9, but I am still worried about the G8 stones, and additionally I am not sure if we’ll ever be able to fill in the J5 liberty

I am leaning towards playing D8, E8, G2 or H2. What are your thoughts on the position?

Here_We_Go · June 16, 2021, 11:12am

I like H2, but D8 and E8 are probably better moves as I guess it’s pretty detrimental to our position if those stones are captured.

martin3141 · June 16, 2021, 11:20am

Ok, I’ll try D8:

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Vsotvep · June 16, 2021, 1:01pm

The big question now is, is (White | Red) H9 going to give us life…?

yebellz · June 16, 2021, 1:50pm

So, if we have white/red at H9, then does black/blue at G9, ruin that eye?

From the above position, I believe (if I’m understanding the rules correctly), that black/red could play at J9 to cause both J9 and H9 to be captured, right?

martin3141 · June 16, 2021, 1:52pm

Yes, suicide being allowed may actually be relevant here

And I’d like to remind that we play with positional superko rule.

Vsotvep · June 16, 2021, 6:59pm

There’s nothing I can do in that interaction, and after Martin’s suicide, you could play H9 again, since I can make sure that the position will not be repeated. That would more or less occupy the two red players, but at least we’ll survive.
If Martin skips a turn capturing, you get to play F9 and make sure that H9 cannot be captured anymore.

So I think it’s alive.

yebellz · June 16, 2021, 7:04pm

Hypothetical variation

White/Red at H9
Black/Blue at G9
White/Blue at E9
Black/Red at E8
White/Red at F9 (captures G9)

Maybe all of this doesn’t really make sense, or is unnecessary. I thought about it before @Vsotvep provided a reasoning for why it should live.

yebellz · June 16, 2021, 7:11pm

Okay, I’ll play H9

Vsotvep · June 16, 2021, 7:44pm

So, time to be proven wrong, I guess

martin3141 · June 16, 2021, 8:38pm

I just realised something interesting. @Here_We_Go , given that suicide is allowed … do you want to try playing J5? Then on my move I will play J7.

Here_We_Go · June 17, 2021, 11:24am

Ah, I didn’t think it was a good move, only now you point it out I realise that White/Blue is unable to capture that group.

Yes, J5, final answer, for-realsies, no take-backs.

Vsotvep · June 17, 2021, 11:41am

Ok… This seems pretty terrible for us. I see no way how I can help our position here until after the three stones are captured… I also see no moves where I can force a response from Martin elsewhere

So, I think I’ll just play C5 for now? @yebellz, do you see anything good?

yebellz · June 17, 2021, 7:04pm

Okay, that sounds okay. No, I don’t see anything good.

Vsotvep · June 18, 2021, 11:39pm

Ok, let’s play C5 then.

martin3141 · June 19, 2021, 6:15am

I play J7.

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