Important Philosophical Questions + POLLS

There is direction in corner side and center.

There are some weird things happening only in corner fights although (like the classic L shape, or the death of rectangular 6 for simple cases)

YOLO or YODO?

  • You only live once
  • In between but more towards YOLO
  • In between but more towards YODO
  • You only die once
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How about YODA? Live once, you only

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I think that life is a journey from YOLO to YODO.

When you are young, you have no obligations and you have few experiences, therefore you lack the imagination to fathom the potential danger and the potential damages that you might incur from some of your activities and, at the same time, you are unburdened from any sense of dependance, meaning that there is noone in the world whose happiness or survival is connected to your well being. Then you are in the YOLO phase, for sure…

Fast forward a few years and maybe you are married, or you have kids or you have your own business and maybe your parents are ill and in need of help or all those together or any other such similar thing that piles up on you not only obligations, but also expectations of completing those obligations successfully or someone you care for, will suffer the consequenses. (I kind of make life sound like a caricature mafia underling trying to extort protection money, eh? :sweat_smile:). Then you are moving fast towards YODO. You literally cannot afford to die and that worries you… and the more you are worried, the more you YODO.

I’ve posted this before iirc, but in that regard, this plaque outside a cemetary in Greece, is very wise:

It reads: “We had work/obligations to fulfill as well, but we left them unfinished…”

We will all die, eventually, and life, such as it is, will always be filled with some kind of obligations, therefore we should remember that and try to relax a bit about it… when our time comes, sooner or later, some of our obligations will remain, sadly, unfinished…

As another, very ancient, quote from Isocrates goes:
“Μηδενί συμφοράν ονειδίσης. Κοινή γαρ η τύχη και το μέλλον αόρατον”
“Do not make light of any misfortune (that has befallen to others). We all share a common fate and our future is unknown.”

In plain words: We will all die, but you don’t know how you’ll get there. So, while you are alive, better keep it cool.

However this is easier said than done. The more obligations you create or take up, the less you YOLO and the more you YODO.

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When I got married and had young kids, I didn’t think at all about death. Now I don’t think I’ll die in the near future, but even if it happens, my children are grown up so can take care of themselves. On the other hand I’m less sure about my mother who is in her 80s, and I want to be there if my wife needs me, so this gives me a motivation to take care of my health.
And YOLO is important too, there are things we can’t do anymore after a certain age.

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YOLOIYDW2PAGT

You only live once if you don’t want to pay a group tax

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Well, that would have been odd if you did. That is usually the most “filled with life” part of a marriage, since there are kids that are growing up within the family. :slight_smile:
It is the attitude that shifts towards caution (YODO), instead of the previous negligence of care-free youth (YOLO), not that you suddenly become worried about your unexpected demise. (though I do know cases like that - e.g. someone that doesn’t get on the same plane with his wife, in case the plane goes down. In those instances they get different flights and one child each :man_shrugging: )

For example, a man might like to ride a fast motorcycle. He meets a woman that likes fast motorcycles and they ride on the same fast motorcycle everywhere and go on trips and stuff and have fun. Fast forward a couple of years, they decide to get married and the wife is pregnant.

Now, they drive slowly on the motorcycle, because even a slight fall that earlier was in their mind just the danger of a couple bruises, is now escalated in the possibility of endangering the embryo.

Then the child gets born. Who rides on a motorcycle with his wife and infant? Not many people, because it is illegal and very dangerous. So, the motorcycle goes to the garage for the “potential weekend escapade” and in comes a small sensible car, with a baby seat and seatbelts and all the “safety measures” that the parents never cared for before.

With simple things like that, slowly but surely, life - for most people - makes the slow journey from YOLO to YODO.

That is the usual case.
Others like to occassionally pretend that they are still young, without a care in the world. Most of them are lucky, but some of them end up on the news with unfortunate headlines like:

“Tragic motorcycle crash in Evia kills couple, leaving three children orphaned. Funeral services scheduled for Sunday”

…we lose a lot of people like that every year.
“Woe to those that are left behind”, goes the ancient lament for such cases…

For sure… a lot of people here postpone things for “after their retirement” and learn that lesson then hard way…

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In this sense I agree. After I had children I stopped swimming too far from the coast, even though I think I could swim for at least 1 hour without risk of drowning.

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Indeed. I think we should take better care of ourselves when we have people depending on us.

Also, for the YOLO gang, one thing they would say is “at most I die”. Of course, if you die a fast and swift death, maybe it’s still okay (it’s not, but let’s assume it is), but what if you don’t die? What if you survive with a disability? What if you die very slowly and painfully? What if you are in a state where you want to die but also cannot die? All those will be much worse than “just dying”.

Seeing how the population is ageing and there are more people in hospices, I think being healthy is still one of the most important aspects of our lives, both for ourselves and for our loved ones.

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I came for the Go discussion, I stayed for gems like this from Jeth.

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I can imagine some of my correspondence games timing out one by one after I die…

I remember reading a story about a father on his deathbed still playing correspondence games, and his son found out about the games after he passed away.

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I had a very nice day, today and towards the end of it I had another of my IGA league games where I am trying to get more proficient with playing games with shorter time settings and without analysis, while also trying the sideseki.

I have to say that it went very well, even if I reached byoyomi, did a silly mistake and lost, but the result is far better than expected. Even with few games, there has been quite a bit of improvement and I think that I am trully around 6k now, with those time settings. My general ranking is suffering from that experiment, but I can fix that later. For now, I am happy that the result is not disastrous, resulting in loses/resignations before the middle game ends.

Which brings me to the point… For now I’ve decided to play tengen+sideseki when Black and that parallelogram variation I proposed of the “Square fuseki” when I am White. I am having a lot of fun with it, but I am slightly worried that the opponents might not. :thinking: In that live tournament I attended everyone was excited by the novelty and the different early game produced by it, but that might be because the whole live tournament was a novelty for all of us in and of itself.

So, the question is:
Do you mind playing against experimental/unorthodox/weird Fuseki/openings or not?

  • I do not like playing against them because they force me to play a totally different game that I had in mind when I signed up for the game.
  • I do like playing against them because they produce a totally novel opening than the one I am used to and this creates a new experience.
  • I do not mind what the opponent chooses to play.
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I don’t care because in go every game is quite unique

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Is the court of public opinion a more powerful court than any other court in the world?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Depends
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Even though we base our current civilisation on “public opinion” via democracy, it is its main criticism even from its infancy, that in order for it to work well it requires “a well-informed citizenry” (as per the attributed Thomas Jefferson quote) and good luck with that, especially nowadays.

While “sophistry” was a well established past-time of ancient Greek philosophers, it is no coincidence that the profession and the word “demagogue” were only born after the establishment of democratic governing systems. There was no need (or, in many cases, ability) for demagogy in the previous systems, but once there was an open market for influencing the public, eventually people trained their skills to fill it in.

Not that the public really needed much cajoling, but hey. :sweat_smile:

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No matter whether they are well-informed or not, if they can decide the fate of someone or the country or the world aren’t they considered powerful? It may be even more so when they are not making the “right” decisions but it becomes “right” because they are the majority.

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There is a very significant caveat to power, which is consistency/convenience.

For example, a nuclear weapon is the most powerful weapon in the world, but noone can utilise it.
Diverting an asteroid and dropping it into the sea next to a capital city could destroy nations, but noone can utilise it.
…and so forth.

Similarly, people have the “ultimate” power, but it is dilluted it and noone can utilise it.

Next morning, the “people” could bankrupt any company in the world, end any war they liked or eradicate any ideology they disliked or impose one that they liked, however the “people” can neither agree to have the same opinion on any of those issues, nor have they ever realised that they actually have the means to do so. Therefore, just like the aforementioned examples, noone can utilise that power, thus it is as if it is non-existent. None of the above really happen. What does happen is that the public exists to be… socially engineered.

On the other hand, money, lawyers and political influence can grant you access to almost anything in the world, if you push the correct paperwork and you have the “magic words” and the law (or, at the very least, its enforcing part) with you.

With the law you can get hold of gold mines and precious resources, rob people blind (whole nations of them, if you so wish), deprive them of their houses, of their liberty, of their dignity, of their ability to make food, of their water, of their ability to talk and of their ability to walk. All the while the public (significant parts of it or “your side” of the public, at the very least) will cheer for you, for that is “the law”… :wink:

The law does all those things, across the world, daily. At any minute that passes, something of the above really happens somewhere on the planet. Thus, long-term, the law is powerful, in reality, while the people are powerful only in theory.

If you doubt that, I have a final set of questions to consider.
Have you ever been sued?
If so, where did you go for help and to defend yourself and help the truth shine?
To the public or to a lawyer?
Did you aim to rally a public protest or a private consultation?
Which would you trust more in attaining that proper verdict, consistently? The public which has no rules and might bail at you at any point, or the law that does have rules and must, by definition, conclude your case one way or another?

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  • I prefer matte black stones
  • I prefer shiny black stones
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  • I prefer matte white stones
  • I prefer shiny white stones
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Please think of them separately even if we play with them together.

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This rings true but I wonder what his word was for “tolerance” and what it meant at the time this statement was made.

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