This is actually one of the variation I tried to explore before. Can black cut instead of clamp?
This is probably one of the possible variations. But as I didn’t have time to explore many of them yet. Most of them might not have worked.
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Another one I tried to explore. Instead of nose tesuji, but as an assistant from the outside for forcing moves. Almost looks like black can live inside. But the followups are pretty complicated to say the least
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Here’s what I’m thinking about currently. If black exchanges black M17+white K17 now, white might be able to atari J12 from the outside.
Black could wait with M17 until white has decided how to answer J12.
But what happens if white takes in the center instead of extending to K17?
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Now you start to get the idea of the complexity around here. Really not so easy to explore with so many complications and possible directions to take.
Actually I think if white takes the ponnuki in the center, black probably needs to atari at L18 instead K17, and able to live on the top.
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I think that–after I joined this game–I have quickly realized, that it is too complex for my reading ability. 
Nonetheless I enjoy thinking about it and maybe my comments help some other kyus to get an idea of what’s going on.
That seems plausible, after the ponnuki white maybe has just left weaknesses to the right. K17 could be too far on the left.
I find it interesting, that even after white ignores two attaches to L17, black has no clear way to capture it.
A1 ?
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Last black move seems quite sente yes. I don’t see other move as connection (E13)
Black F14 is going dramatic if not. White F14 works for protection of upper edge, but i don’t see why giving extra benefits and a potential connection between black’s groups.
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I feel like F14 works better than E13
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Provided that white is not willing to sacrifice the D14 triangle, the two best moves are F14 and E13, as mentioned before.
F14 imo is better in every sense, except it lets the upper left corner connect to the concentrated black shape at F11. This means that attacking any of the two groups becomes virtually impossible. imo this mainly hurts our chances to attack the F11 group for strength, which can be handy both for the D9 and H12 groups.
F14 gives more strength against the upper invasion tho. The question is if black can live (or reduce a lot) in the upper region if we do E13?
So I think E13 vs F14 basically means “Do we need to get strength in the upper region or can we attack F11 instead?”
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Looks like this game was forgotten about for a couple of weeks. Seems like a simple poll at least.
I’ve forgotten how long they’re meant to be left open, so this one will be here for about twenty hours, until noon UTC tomorrow.
- E13 (solid connection)
- F14 (bamboo joint)
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Alright, the E13 solid connection won.
Now what?
The K17 and M17 hane on the top side are obvious suggestions.
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How obvious? Since the conclusion that black will die we had some times ago and because nothing really changed here around, what would be the point to play these moves?
Ah, ok, I haven’t really been following the flow of the game recently.
See The all-in-one democratic game - #1737 by artem92 (sept 21)
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Well, two days have passed. The solid connection was played. The hanes, I’m to understand, have already been rejected.
So what’s the next move?
Is the time yet right to claimed that the D19 hanetsugi is sente?
Or should we play a move somewhere around tengen and try to buff the centre? Or else attempt to reduce the top with a move like O12 or even O13?
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As good as anytime to start the nose tesuji? (technically starts with a wedge at J12)
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So, what are we playing?
O12 or N11