I’m wondering - can you explain why this kind of move is bad?
You only spent one second thinking about that move, so I want to know if it becomes clear to you when you give it more thought. Or is it a total mystery why you lost 5 stones after that?
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yes i knew as soon as put the stone down i had lost those stones it was a mistake one of mnay i make playing this game this one was i wasn’t concertrating and thought he might miss it – yea right i was stupid i know i will try to be better at not using any of those last rows to save anothe bunch of stones – if you look at the moves before that i thoguht i could get away with it but then he knew wat he was doing two moves before i did and i fell into his trap just tooo easily i know
I recommend that you spend much more time to think about your moves then. If you can just avoid making the obvious mistakes, you’ll jump way ahead! Here’s one thing that might help. Select “Submit-move button” for all games in your game settings:
So then you can click on a move you think is good and see what it’s going to look like. Take your hand off the mouse and give yourself at least 10 seconds to consider it before you submit. Do this for every single move. How does that sound?
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but really is that not cheating ? knowing what the outcome will be before i comment , sure sounds like cheating to me but then again here asking for help as usuall so is it cheating? do i do it ?
i had a friend come visit me once from out of town he lives remote in the bc mountains no nothing on on grid electridity no interent no cell nothing but mail drop off actually form a plane with supplies once a month, real remote bush ass stuff. when he came to visit me he helped play a couple of games and we together won two but lost one 19x19 i think then the site came down hard on me telling me i cheated - go see games about month ago only ones i won two in a row. and really when i think about it yea it was kind of cheating he was a very good no in japan a wiining player years ago then he dropped out to live this monk styled life our paths crossed many years ago and we stayed friends writting all the time he came cause he thought i was dying or something i wasn’t then so his skill really made me think i must have cheated so after i explain to the higher ups here what was what and would never do that again, he left the next day back to the bush iam learry of trying anything remotely cheating wise — ok but thanks for the input anyways would it be cheating if i tried that against a bot ??? thats a thought ?
I’m strongly coming down on the side of this being a troll. I did not foresee the Go monk emerging from hibernation to help you play a game, only to then leave as quickly as he arrived.
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No, thinking ahead (with your own brain) is not cheating!
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Wrong idea. Never count on your opponent mistake. Search for working moves instead.
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It is a slightly grey area, in the sense that across the board in a serious game you are not normally allowed to place a stone and then retract it. So OGS offers you help with visualisation, but that is available to your opponent too, so it is not unfair, just not a good way to practice for a tournament.
@dokbohm But getting help from someone else (or an AI) is clearly unfair. Out of interest, can you link to those games, or one of them? If you want to do that, you should play an unranked game and ask your opponent if they are happy to play like that.
(my emphasis) — not convinced, but my needle wobbles.
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Fantastic monk story. It’s great, it really is. It’s wonderful.
Are you Donald Trump?
believe what you must to justify your treatment of me my friend is my friend his coming and goings are no concern of yours he was concerened , came checked me out for two days then left. he seems to have connections with the goverment but i really don’t know for sure but the small airport we have had only one plane that day a goverment minister was i town and i droped my friiend off at the airport and then he was gone. so would a troll( what ever that is iam not sure really ) spend all this time explaining himself ? would he not just move on to another thing site etc etc just get back to ripping me a new everytime over the game of go will you .
Please don’t confuse the issue, it’s absolutely not cheating on OGS to turn on “submit-move” and take more time to think about your moves. (And anyway, in a serious game would you be allowed to hover over the board during your opponent’s turn so you can drop your stone immediately in less than 1 second? That’s what he seems to be doing now.)
@dokbohm how about giving it a try? Turn on submit-move and spend 10+ seconds thinking about your moves.
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Troll: someone who does not post in good faith, but to provoke others. Why did you not look it up?
My trollometer needle wobbles even more violently — or could your friend be having you on? or could your medication be causing delusions? I could not find games you won with much higher level moves.
- P.S. I have just seen that “your” first 30 moves of this game though a bit odd are much better than usual.
Fair enough; I was trying to take his concern seriously, but maybe it was confusing, though I did not suggest it was cheating.
Interesting! I suppose that you as a moderator can see that in the records — or is there a way for any user to? I have often wanted to see timing information! Or did you watch him live? And can you corroborate his story about trouble with moderators?
@dokbohm: Absolutely. Even if you only think 3 seconds before moving it would help, especially if you take your hand away from the mouse/screen for that time. But ideally you should imagine how the board look will after your move (and perhaps your opponent’s likely answer). (If you do not know how to turn on Submit, we can tell you.)
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Here you go:
I just clicked on one of @dokbohm’s last games. And again, many, many moves were played after “thinking” for less than a second.
What’s the point of coaching someone in a thinking game when they have no interest in thinking at all?
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Anyone who has ever watched him live can know that … it is a sort of bewildering experience to see that happening, esp. with real bad moves.
Excellent, many thanks! That works fine out of the box, and I see that he “achieved” an average of 0.9"/move in that game! Checking a few other recent games, I see averages
- on 9×9 — 2", 3", 3", 0.9", 1", 1"
- on 13×13 — 1", 3", 1", 2h3’6" (corr.), 2", 1"
Looking at games he seems to have won properly I see an average of 3" on 13x13, 2" + 7" in byo-yomi on 9x9, 3" 9x9, 3" 9x9, 4" 9x9, 2"9x9, 9"+ 2" b-y 9x9, 2" 9x9. It appears that thinking for at least 2"/move is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for him to win, though that is certainly distorted by the time he needs to type some chat.
P.S. But I notice that many of his opponents also play absurdly fast.
P.P.S. I have seen that he averaged 0.7"/move in this game and could have won if he had not resigned! But the first 30 moves are far more effective than his usual style: was that the monk? Also his opponent played the same Lego assembly style as him for much of the game, nobi-ing through boring areas.
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The monk is playing much stronger. Looked like SDK-level to me. @dokbohm previously played as @NEWOLDGUY (most likely), and this account played at SDK-level as well back in 2019. These old games look more like they have been played by the monk.
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Hard to be sure, especially as they were probably trying to create a structure that would work well for dokbohm.
Originally posted in what I thought was a more recent thread
Having seen how fast you play (see above: often < 1 sec/move), the most important thing for you now is to give yourself time to think.
Why do you play so fast?
You need to slow down, and @Feijoa has made a good suggestion, above: use the Submit move button. I have another idea that you may find helpful: get into a habit like this for your moves: have a drink (tea, coffee, water, juice, whatever floats your boat) at your side, and when you see your opponent’s move, look at it while taking a sip, using the hand you would move with. Then look where you want to make your move, and imagine the stone there, or enable the Submit move button and make your provisional click. Ask yourself if that is an obvious mistake, and only when you feel it is not, submit your move. It does not have to be a drink; anything that slows you down is good.
But why do you play so fast?
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i have been told this many many times and its a valid point i play about 10 games at a time 7 day and 28 day at the same time since my opponemts take so long to play their next move which is understndable since they are probality playing only one or two games and want to win, so think each move out i guess i don’t have a stragetic mind i see the board and iam just trying to stop my next stone from getting captured no hidden agenda just look see where they are closing in and try to get out of it then on to the next game - so it may seem and i guess its does mean i play fast but thinking about a move i have already in my head made and commited to doesn’t seem to take that much time ,maybe this is not making sence and after reading it it doesn’t but i will put it out there