Werewolf Game 5.1: Trouble in Steelwater Bog

The only things wrong I could see is your n3-d4 and then idk what happens to james after d4.

  1. How do we know that james will def find a snatcher?
  2. How do we know lovers will def be killed? Like the other thing I could think of is if the snatchers tried to kill the oracle, although this would take 2 turns. Would this ruin the plan?
  1. again how do we know james’s result for certain?
  2. what happens to james after this?
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It doesn’t matter what happens to James after d4

We don’t, this is the plan instead of my original in case James finds a snatcher instead of an innocent.

We don’t, but if the lovers aren’t killed, the innocents just have one more member in the calculation until they are eventually killed (or survive to the end).

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The only scary thing is if you are a soulsnatcher.
In that case D6 starts with 3 innocents and 1 snatcher, but we’d think you are one of the innocents.

However, in that case you’d have to kill your lover to end the game, which results in all innocent as well as all evil players eliminated, thus probably should count as a tie?

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This is a good time to point out the win conditions, since I didn’t include them in the rules.

It goes without saying, but the Innocents will win if all Soulsnatchers are eliminated.

Soulsnatchers will win if the number of remaining Soulsnatchers is greater than or equal to the number of remaining Innocents.

Likewise, if the final two players are lovers from different teams, the Soulsnatchers will win since the snatcher partner would kill the remaining innocent player in the night and then commit suicide the next morning after having won.

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Ok, so it then depends on Haze’s status. If Haze is a soulsnatcher, my plan will fail, if Haze is innocent, it will succeed.

We should probably collectively decide whether we think Haze is innocent or not at this moment, so that this information may come in handy when push comes to shove.

I think that…

  • … Haze is innocent
  • … Haze is a soulsnatcher

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Things to consider:

  • Haze was almost killed by Roy’s accusation and the people willing to act immediately. At the time of Roy’s accusation it was not known that Haze’s lover was the witch.
  • Haze was almost killed again when targeted last night. At the time of murder attempt it was known that Haze’s lover was the witch.

Possibly, by investigating the people who have been vocal about whether Haze is innocent or not, we could deduce something about Haze’s innocence as well.


If we can keep the oracle alive for one extra day, we should also be able to deduce Haze’s innocence.

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:parrot::zombie: :arrow_right: :one::two:

:one: :zombie: :skull_and_crossbones::no_entry_sign: :crown:
:sun_with_face::three: :heavy_minus_sign: :eight::two::six:
:first_quarter_moon_with_face::three: :heavy_minus_sign: :six::two::four: :superhero::skull_and_crossbones::no_entry_sign: :eight::six::heavy_division_sign: :game_die:
:sun_with_face::four: :heavy_minus_sign: :five::two::three:
:first_quarter_moon_with_face::four: :heavy_minus_sign: :four::two::two: :v:
:sun_with_face::five: :heavy_minus_sign: :four::one::one:
:first_quarter_moon_with_face::five: :heavy_minus_sign: :three::one::one:
:sun_with_face::six: :heavy_minus_sign: :two::zero::zero:

:two: :zombie: :skull_and_crossbones::crown:
:sun_with_face::three: :heavy_minus_sign: :eight::two::six:
:first_quarter_moon_with_face::three: :heavy_minus_sign: :six::one::three: :crown::skull_and_crossbones:
:sun_with_face::four: :heavy_minus_sign: :five::one::two:
:first_quarter_moon_with_face::four: :heavy_minus_sign: :four::one::one: :v:
:sun_with_face::five: :heavy_minus_sign: :three::zero::zero:

:arrow_right: :eight::six::heavy_division_sign: :heavy_plus_sign:

:white_check_mark: :question:

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When you say you are the oracle, there will always be soulsnatchers forming a plan to kill you.

Hopefully this won’t be my dying speech, but just in case:
Hazel and James are soulsnatchers. I’m almost certain Prof. Bellz is one of the them as well.

Butch, it was coincidence that when I had reread the posts I recognized similarity between James and Prof. Bellz posts, how Prof. Bellz was the first one to promote James after he “claimed” to be the oracle. I felt there was some connection between the two in the past but now its evident. Sorry if you thought I meant you were one of the soulsnatchers.

I saw it, the flash of green light, and the 3 mysterious players who touched the cursed runes. The runes have been marked on the player’s backs, which quickly disappeared just like how it appeared. The 3 people fought hard, but to no avail. Moments later, they were no longer in control. I couldn’t bear to watch them get sucked up into the void as I saw a strand from Hazel’s hair fall to the ground. I will revenge you guys by doing my best to kill the soulsnatchers.

Hopefully you guys all give this a second look as I depart and join the other 3 in but a few hours time.

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:tiger: :rage::no_entry_sign: :arrow_right: :ok_hand:

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If this is the case, what took you so long to say this? You also said this:

immediately after I had said I’m voting for you, quite a few posts after Ye Bellz had contributed any substantial message at that moment. If you go claiming you’ve found out how everything works, out of the blue, and don’t dispute my misunderstanding immediately, it just becomes too late to go back.

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I doubt I could be more useful if I lived than if I died. It would be easier to have the fake oracle and once the fake oracle lies it would be obvious to everyone at that point. Taking days to dispute who is the real oracle would take much longer and with more deaths. Hopefully you understand. This is the last piece of information I’m giving to everyone.

Already having found the 3 soulsnatchers, I don’t see anything the oracle can do besides proving everyone else is innocent.

You’ve only convinced me further that you are indeed a soul snatcher pretending to be an oracle. There’s nothing that I said to telegraph that I am a soul snatcher, since I am in fact innocent. This is clearly just a plainly desperate attempt to grasp at straws, since there is no way for you to legitimately feel “almost certain”.

If you were the real oracle, you’d just be damaging our efforts by making such baseless and illogical claims.

Would you like to be more specific?? When James came forward as the oracle, I merely translated for them. I had no certainty about their claims, but making those claims clearly stated is vital for this game.

What ultimately caused me to start to believe that you were lying was your epic logical meltdown after James counter-claimed against you. In fact, up until now, there was even some room for doubt, but you just piled on with your illogical nonsense.

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I was initially doubting Ye Bellz, and saw James’ confession as a way to “heal” Ye Bellz from my suspicion. Added to that the fact that Hazel chose to out herself as a lover, which I found implausible for an innocent, I was pretty certain James was actually lying.

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Why a poll?

Why have you never liked any of my posts from after James claimed to be an oracle?
I found that part quite intriguing. Care to explain?
I doubt a reason “just because” won’t suffice. Surely anyone would hear both sides before making a choice, right? Yet you seemed certain that James was the oracle the moment he mentioned it.

That means you were suspicious of me before James claimed to be the oracle, the time when I said I was the oracle. During that time, you seemed to agree with what I had said and the plans I announced. Why the sudden change?

Look back at your conversations. You and James came up more often then any other pair, not even the 2 lovers.

Do you realize now why I’m extremely suspicious of you?
(Also don’t try to like my posts saying you did)

I created the poll to confirm that you were the oracle. Everyone else saying that they are not would have given us certainty.

Why? Frankly, because you’ve suggested some incredibly stupid plans in response to James claiming to be an oracle.

No one liked those because the logic is just pathetically awful. Honestly, I’m kind of disappointed that you are playing this game so poorly…

What are you basing this on? My confidence in you plummeted due to your own ridiculously illogical posts.

Lol :roll_eyes: don’t worry

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Given what you said in the past, these 2 statements should be switched around. Why this word choice? Wouldn’t it make more sense that James should be fishing for the oracle? He said that he was the oracle, he should give proof as to why. The last thing I mentioned was that killing Hazel was a mistake on my part. Why am I the one who is looking to prove I’m the oracle vs James?

I was translating for James, since he had the emoji disease.

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What do you mean that killing Hazel was a mistake on your part?

7/10 quotes you mentioned were about the “plan”. I understand that bit, I hoped it was something only Leira should reply on. I do agree my logic was off, that was the whole point. But why not the first 3?